Darth Maul vs Obi Wan Kenobi (see details)

Originally posted by YousufKhan1212
Even if so, Maul would also psychologically be at a disadvantage because it's been said that he's especially blinded by vengeance to Kenobi.

Thats just in general yeah.

But Maul did beat him in their first TCW fight by easily dun moching him over Qui-Gons death which was like 10 years earlier.

And Master Tipler notes Kenobis turmoil in facing Maul in SOD, where he admits their last encounter did not go well (the last encounter was in The Lawless where he murdered Satine in front of him).

But aside from that I dont see any version of Maul taking Rebels Kenobi tbh. Rebels Kenobis mental clarity was just on a whole other level.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
But aside from that I dont see any version of Maul taking Rebels Kenobi tbh. Rebels Kenobis mental clarity was just on a whole other level.

Originally posted by Galan007
Rebels Kenobi really was on a completely different level.

Yeah theres just no getting around that. I guess its consistent as well with current canon given what a beast Vader is, and Old Ben did fight him more as a peer than an underdog.

Originally posted by Darth Thor

And Master Tipler notes Kenobis turmoil in facing Maul in SOD,

Master Tiplee*

Vader has gotten so much wank in canon that Kenobi contending with him really does scale him up quite a bit.

And what's more, I don't know if Kenobi was really even giving it his all there(in canon, at least.) /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
Vader has gotten so much wank in canon that Kenobi contending with him really does scale him up quite a bit.

And what's more, I don't know if Kenobi was really even giving it his all there(in canon, at least.) /shrug

Sweet makes it clearer, sorry just thought i will ask as i wasnt to sure in the star wars cannon cartoons how does Obi Wan actually defeat Maul , maul tries to do the same attack he did to obi on qui gon jin but then all i see is obi slashing his light saber handle in half then maul falls down and dies slowly etc : i didnt quite get that or did obi wans saber slash Maul somehow ?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The mutilation and suffering only make Dark Siders stronger. It fuels their powers.

TCW Maul > TPM Maul

Vader > Ani

I'm not disputing that. I just don't think that Maul's hatred, as much as it fueled him, is a match for how much more powerful Kenobi became.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I actually thought you made a good point about Maul being a sycophant for 10+years whilst Kenobi was getting better and better, given they are actually around the same age.

That said, depends when you think their respective peaks are, but certainly late in the Clone Wars, I see no evidence for there being some kind of huge gap between them. And in a direct fight in that period, Maul would likely have the psychological advantage of having murdered Satine in front of Obi.

Not quite that simple.

Especially for Maul who was out of action for many years.

Any psychological advantage Maul had kinda vanished after that first encounter, I think. I mean, look at what Kenobi did to Savage and Maul together.

I'm not saying the gulf between them was massive in the CW era, but I still think there was a legitimate barrier between them. Like, if Kenobi was a 9, Maul would be at best an 8.

I'd take Rebels Kenobi over any version of Maul, but I know how you feel about that fight so I won't rub it in too hard 😛

Originally posted by ozz81
Sweet makes it clearer, sorry just thought i will ask as i wasnt to sure in the star wars cannon cartoons how does Obi Wan actually defeat Maul , maul tries to do the same attack he did to obi on qui gon jin but then all i see is obi slashing his light saber handle in half then maul falls down and dies slowly etc : i didnt quite get that or did obi wans saber slash Maul somehow ?

Kenobi slashed straight down through the lightsaber and through Maul's torso. It was meant to look like a samurai killing someone in one deft stroke. That and they probably didn't want to show a huge gaping wound on what was the kiddiest kids show SW has produced.

Originally posted by ozz81
Sweet makes it clearer, sorry just thought i will ask as i wasnt to sure in the star wars cannon cartoons how does Obi Wan actually defeat Maul , maul tries to do the same attack he did to obi on qui gon jin but then all i see is obi slashing his light saber handle in half then maul falls down and dies slowly etc : i didnt quite get that or did obi wans saber slash Maul somehow ?

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'd take Rebels Kenobi over any version of Maul

Originally posted by -Pr-

Any psychological advantage Maul had kinda vanished after that first encounter, I think. I mean, look at what Kenobi did to Savage and Maul together.

He murdered Satine after the Kenobi vs Maul and Savage fight. And Kenobis turmoil over that event is specifically mentioned in Son of Dathomir.

Originally posted by -Pr-

I'm not saying the gulf between them was massive in the CW era, but I still think there was a legitimate barrier between them. Like, if Kenobi was a 9, Maul would be at best an 8.

Think thats overstating the gap in that era. Kenobi arguably performed better against Maul and Opress and Dooku did against Ventress and Opress. So that was clearly a peak performance. And its quite normal in Star Wars to take on 2 opponents, but later to struggle with just one of them. Just look at Ventress vs Anakin and Obi-Wan. Or Dooku vs the same two.

But I agree if anyone had the edge it was Obi. I just think after murdering Satine that might give Maul the psychological advantage, hence equalling the odds for a period.

Originally posted by -Pr-

I'd take Rebels Kenobi over any version of Maul, but I know how you feel about that fight so I won't rub it in too hard 😛

Lol dont worry. I agree Rebels Kenobi was beyond him, and theres just no point denying that.

I just really hope Maul doesnt lose to Ahsoka 🙁 Honestly I will be relieved with even a stalemate.

Don't we already know how this fight will go? It was covered in the Ahsoka novel, wasn't it? IIRC

Spoiler:
she lures him into a ray shield trap, or something to that effect.

Yep. 👆

Maul bore down on her, cruel laughter scraping out of his throat, and still she waited. Then, just before she was in his reach, she sprang the trap.

Maul lunged forward and Ahsoka took a quick step back, drawing him past the point of no return. He swung down, directly at her head, and she responded with all her strength. Her weapons locked with his, holding him exactly where she wanted him to be.

"Now!" she commanded her unseen allies. The response was fast, too fast for Maul's distracted defense. Ahsoka threw herself clear just in time. The ray shield came to life, trapping her prey with his lightsaber still raised against her.

Granted, Filoni could always retcon that bit in TCW. /shrug

Originally posted by -Pr-
Like, if Kenobi was a 9, Maul would be at best an 8.

Lol, just messing with you. Good post overall 👆

Quan and Darth Thor are the only posters on this dark corner of the Internet who still desperately try to ride Maul's limp dick.

What dick?

ermmgrin

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

👆

Well done Stilt. I knew you were secretly a Maul fan!

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Don't we already know how this fight will go? It was covered in the Ahsoka novel, wasn't it? IIRC

Spoiler:
she lures him into a ray shield trap, or something to that effect.

It might still end like that. But the fight itself is obviously going to be much more competitive than the way it was portrayed in the Ahsoka novel.

Originally posted by Galan007
What dick?

ermmgrin

😂

Originally posted by Darth Thor
👆

Well done Stilt. I knew you were secretly a Maul fan!

And I always knew you were Quan 🙂

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

And I always knew you were Quan 🙂

We’re all Quan!

That we are...

Originally posted by Darth Thor
It might still end like that. But the fight itself is obviously going to be much more competitive than the way it was portrayed in the Ahsoka novel.

Why is that an issue? There's no reason for Ahsoka at the end of the Clone Wars to be weaker than she was during Rebels.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Why is that an issue? There's no reason for Ahsoka at the end of the Clone Wars to be weaker than she was during Rebels.

Oh ill certainly argue to death that this is Prime Ahsoka 👆

Obi-Wan Kenobi wins, since the OP says that it's prime versions of them both. A couple of sources infer that Obi-Wan reached his prime on Mustafar, and it's arguable that Obi-Wan as of the end of RotS is better than Dooku and Maul, so I'd wager that he beats Maul.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
That said, depends when you think their respective peaks are, but certainly late in the Clone Wars, I see no evidence for there being some kind of huge gap between them. And in a direct fight in that period, Maul would likely have the psychological advantage of having murdered Satine in front of Obi.

This sounds like conjecture tbh because Obi-Wan likely would've accepted Satine's death, given that he's holistically portrayed as the quintessential Jedi. In fact, I think there's a source saying Obi-Wan would have the psychological advantage over Maul. there's an actual source alluding to that.