Originally posted by YousufKhan1212
1. Cool. If it did affect Ventress, the same would apply to Maul.2. No? Which version of "Jedi Master" Kenobi are you talking about? Kenobi in S5 beat Maul and Savage through an environmental advantage that limited the brother's movements, which is Sokan use on Obi-Wan's part. Plus, Kenobi was using Jar Kai at that point, which is optimized for multiple opponents.
Really? That's your argument?
That just means Kenobi is smart enough to alter his tactics. 😱
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Really? That's your argument?That just means Kenobi is smart enough to alter his tactics. 😱
What's wrong with it? LFL sources indicate that Maul is better with two blades than 1 blade, I'm not pulling shit out of my ass.
Yeah he used different tactics, but they weren't fighting on neutral ground, and they were also initially caught off guard by Obi-Wan's aggression because their tactics and instincts were accustomed to the tempo of a defensive and passive Kenobi. This wouldn't happen to SoD Maul and Savage as of The Lawless episode because they'll know what to expect this time.
Originally posted by YousufKhan1212Man you need to stop making stuff up. If Maul and Savage were so skilled they'd alter their moves the same way Kenobi Does, kudos to Kenobi.
What's wrong with it? LFL sources indicate that Maul is better with two blades than 1 blade, I'm not pulling shit out of my ass.Yeah he used different tactics, but they weren't fighting on neutral ground, and they were also initially caught off guard by Obi-Wan's aggression because their tactics and instincts were accustomed to the tempo of a defensive and passive Kenobi. This wouldn't happen to SoD Maul and Savage as of The Lawless episode because they'll know what to expect this time.
BTW in the first fight they were in close quarters as well I recall they were fighting in a cargo bay of a ship. The second fight made it pretty clear that Kenobi could have killed Savage if Maul wasn't there to save him. Kenobi learns from his mistakes as well.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Man you need to stop making stuff up. If Maul and Savage were so skilled they'd alter their moves the same way Kenobi Does, kudos to Kenobi.BTW in the first fight they were in close quarters as well I recall they were fighting in a cargo bay of a ship. The second fight made it pretty clear that Kenobi could have killed Savage if Maul wasn't there to save him. Kenobi learns from his mistakes as well.
it mentioned somewhere that Kenobi was quite amped then and had more of an advantage because the place was falling apart thats why maul had to resort to force pushing kenobi away after he had chopped savages arm of ..
I find the one lightsaber thing to be a bit bs. If Maul really found it THAT limiting he would've just stole Savage's saber.
I also don't see how the small space is a disadvantage to anyone but Kenobi considering it only makes him more trapped than he already is and they all have lightsabers, not like their swords are gonna get stuck.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Man you need to stop making stuff up. If Maul and Savage were so skilled they'd alter their moves the same way Kenobi Does, kudos to Kenobi.BTW in the first fight they were in close quarters as well I recall they were fighting in a cargo bay of a ship. The second fight made it pretty clear that Kenobi could have killed Savage if Maul wasn't there to save him. Kenobi learns from his mistakes as well.
I'm not making anything up, you just don't understand my argument and tbh I think you're just low balling Maul and Savage. Shadow Conspiracy explicitly states that Maul and Savage were "startled to find Obi-Wan taking the offensive and surprised by the ferocity of his attack" which doesn't contradict the episode, because it's describing the internal reactions of the characters, which the episodes themselves don't spell out for us. The reason why they were initially startled was because their tactics and instintcs are accustomed to an Obi-Wan who was only using one blade in a defensive approach, so they mentally unprepared for the random change in Obi-Wan's approach. The fact that Maul and Savage don't immediately alter their moves isn't because they lack skill, it's because they used the wrong tactics at the beginning of the fight, not realising that Kenobi was going to fight more aggressively.
As for the cargo ship, Maul and Savage fought Kenobi there, but Kenobi was rapidly being pressed back and he knew he was going to lose on neutral ground.
Originally posted by Scizard
I find the one lightsaber thing to be a bit bs. If Maul really found it THAT limiting he would've just stole Savage's saber.I also don't see how the small space is a disadvantage to anyone but Kenobi considering it only makes him more trapped than he already is and they all have lightsabers, not like their swords are gonna get stuck.
The reason why he didn't steal Savage's lightsaber is because Savage needed his double bladed lightsaber, so the quotes aren't actually BS.
It wasn't a disadvantage to Kenobi tbh, that's assuming that Kenobi intentionally hindered himself, which is ludicrous because Kenobi is a famous Sokan user. Moreover, the environment itself absolutely would've limited the brothers' movements because they're much bigger and taller than Kenobi, whereas Kenobi is smaller and shorter, and this is proven that he feasibly performed really elobarate acrobatics, whereas all what Savage could do is a simple backflip, whereas Maul doesn't even leap at any point. despite being notorious for incorporating acrobatics in his fighting style -- this might have something to do with the fact that Maul's elongated legs made him unusually taller, and he wasn't able to perform his usual acrobatics in that small environment due to the limited space and unusual build of his legs. Maul and Savage blindly followed Kenobi to the cave because Maul experienced tunnel vision due to his plans being disrupted, he didn't know what Kenobi was doing.
Originally posted by YousufKhan1212Like I said stop making stuff up. Kenobi was smart enough to learn from his mistakes the same way Maul/Savage should have but apparently didn't.
I'm not making anything up, you just don't understand my argument and tbh I think you're just low balling Maul and Savage. Shadow Conspiracy explicitly states that Maul and Savage were "startled to find Obi-Wan taking the offensive and surprised by the ferocity of his attack" which doesn't contradict the episode, because it's describing the internal reactions of the characters, which the episodes themselves don't spell out for us. The reason why they were initially startled was because their tactics and instintcs are accustomed to an Obi-Wan who was only using one blade in a defensive approach, so they mentally unprepared for the random change in Obi-Wan's approach. The fact that Maul and Savage don't immediately alter their moves isn't because they lack skill, it's because they used the wrong tactics at the beginning of the fight, not realising that Kenobi was going to fight more aggressively.As for the cargo ship, Maul and Savage fought Kenobi there, but Kenobi was rapidly being pressed back and he knew he was going to lose on neutral ground.
Originally posted by ScizardIt didn't make a difference.
I find the one lightsaber thing to be a bit bs. If Maul really found it THAT limiting he would've just stole Savage's saber.I also don't see how the small space is a disadvantage to anyone but Kenobi considering it only makes him more trapped than he already is and they all have lightsabers, not like their swords are gonna get stuck.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Like I said stop making stuff up. Kenobi was smart enough to learn from his mistakes the same way Maul/Savage should have but apparently didn't.It didn't make a difference.
I'm not making stuff up, I literally quoted a sentence from an LFL source and added further analysis of it, and this is this is your response? And the notion that Maul/Savage apparently didn't learn from their mistakes is assuming that they had another fight with Kenobi in the exact same type of environment - this is obviously false, but it didn't happen. You've not addressed anything that I've said, I don't want to spend several pages repeating myself, so we'll have to agree to disagree.
Originally posted by Scizard
Not really long enough to be considered a proper feat.
Then define what a "proper feat" is, because people's definitions of good feat varies from what I've noticed. I think it's Maul's best feat because he fought Mace mother****ing Windu whilst duelling another Jedi at the same time, both Jedi were demonstrably attacking Maul from different directions, and Maul, whilst dividing his attention span between both opponents, was able to fend them both off by parrying Windu's strike, whilst delivering a powerful kick to Aayla Secura at the same time. Not to mention, he achieved this whilst only using 1 blade, and Maul's primary form, Juyo, isn't suitable for multiple lightsaber wielding opponents, but Maul's mastery of Juyo was refined and masterful enough to achieve this feat.
Granted, this happened in a short period of time, but what can't be denied is that it happened in a comic. Take a look at this:
When looking at Maul's fight with Windu, you don't exactly see any actions that are complicated, the most "complicated" action you see is Maul kicking Secura in the face while simultaneously parrying a strike with Windu, which is a simple action to depict. The artists of the Son of Dathomir comics only depicted small fractions of the entire fight so that the space of the entire Comic isn't being used up by a simple fight, they don't have enough space to show the readers the entire fights as a whole because of the amount of events that take place in the storyline. Showing the audience lightsaber battles isn't the only priority for the writers. Story telling and character development was more important, and the writer prioritized that over the action and battles because of the writer's limited resources.
Originally posted by McP
Surely being a dark side acolyte is far superior to being a Sith Lord. Let alone that with dual lighstabers you can attack from two directions at the time. Saberstaff is as inferior to dual blads as Sith Lord is to Dark Acolyte. Ventress stomps.
Indeed. Ventress is a true Sith Lord, Maul was a mere assassin!
Of course you have to cut a lot and wow he managed to block one strike against Mace Windu and use his leg against another featless Jedi.
We have literally no idea how well he did against Windu. Ezra fights Vader for two seconds, that doesn't make it a feat worthy of praise. Sure I get your point about comic books can't spend time on everything, but you can't just assume that Maul had a noteworthy fight with Mace Windu.
Originally posted by Scizard
Of course you have to cut a lot and wow he managed to block one strike against Mace Windu and use his leg against another featless Jedi.We have literally no idea how well he did against Windu. Ezra fights Vader for two seconds, that doesn't make it a feat worthy of praise. Sure I get your point about comic books can't spend time on everything, but you can't just assume that Maul had a noteworthy fight with Mace Windu.
Blocking one strike from Mace Windu whilst delivering a kick to Aayla Secura, who by the way, isn't a featless Jedi at all , isn't something to scoff at, and you've handwaved my explanation for why it's impressive.
Ezra didn't fight Vader for 2 seconds LMFAO, he fought him for 25 seconds, and Vader probably didn't even exert himself because he takes pauses while duelling, to make a conversation with Ezra, and Ezra was blatantly outclassed by Vader anyway when they actually locked blades.
Originally posted by YousufKhan1212
Blocking one strike from Mace Windu whilst delivering a kick to Aayla Secura, who by the way, isn't a featless Jedi at all , isn't something to scoff at, and you've handwaved my explanation for why it's impressive.Ezra didn't fight Vader for 2 seconds LMFAO, he fought him for 25 seconds, and Vader probably didn't even exert himself because he takes pauses while duelling, to make a conversation with Ezra, and Ezra was blatantly outclassed by Vader anyway when they actually locked blades.
We're talking about legends now? Mixing up canon with legends doesn't go well. Canon Aayla isn't the same as legends Aayla.
I'll clarify why it isn't impressive then. Maul is leagues above Aayla, shown by how he just one shots her, directing a bit of energy to dispose of Aayla isn't all that impressive. It just shows he is capable of multi-tasking.
And by the way Mace is holding his lightsaber it looks like Mace is the one blocking the strike, not Maul. I would say it also shows strength and balance, but it doesn't suddenly make Maul that impressive, it's certainly not a scalable feat. It doesn't tell us anything other than Maul can clash blades with Mace Windu, which is obvious considering he was able to briefely clash with Palpatine and even extremely weak characters are able to clash with far stronger opponents. I don't see what else this proves?
Also I'm referring to his fight in Season 2, not one.