Coronavirus

Originally posted by Jew Boy
Need mass anti body testing to see if the closures really did work, which we haven't had yet. Infection rates also slowed in Lombardi region of Italia - wasn't because of any social distancing practice. 70% of their populace was infected.

the point of all this is to slow down the infection rate. nobody has delusions of it being stopped in its tracks, or that it will just go away; but if we can keep the rate of new infections at a slow enough pace where the hospitals can keep up with the demand, many lives are saved, and the mortality rate projection drops, as it is dropping 👆

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
italian apple, american orange

the point of all this is to slow down the infection rate. nobody has delusions of it being stopped in its tracks, or that it will just go away; but if we can keep the rate of new infections at a slow enough pace where the hospitals can keep up with the demand, many lives are saved, and the mortality rate projection drops, as it is dropping 👆

False: Feb 26th Trump said it would "One day - it’s like a miracle - it will disappear."

Source: Trump’s Statements About the Coronavirus

sorry for my ambiguity. I should have said "nobody with any credibility..."

Who needs science when you have "miracles" and "luck" in your corner.

I don't even think science has been proven to exist

"Health experts say California is flattening the curve" -snip

In regards to the spread of covid-19 and related deaths 👆

Had the first confirmed case in my family yesterday. My aunt who is 70 with severe Alzheimer's and who had to have an emergency operation due to a necrotic bowel and had to have a stoma inserted got tested because she would have to be kept in intensive care showed she'd already had it it only had mild symptoms. She's been incapable of looking after herself for months and was suffering from malnutrition, dehydration and severe bed sores when she went into hospital. She has diabetes and COPD and so is in numerous risk groups and still brushed off the virus.

Very strange the huge differences in how it hits people.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
italian apple, american orange

American apples and Italian oranges had the same Chinese virus effecting their populations.

The similarities between a place like New York and some of the more densely populated Italian provinces is that they had a lots of people and lots of international travel. Some of those bigger densely populated regions had 70% of their population exposed to the virus. This might be the case for NY.

the point of all this is to slow down the infection rate.

I'm aware of that. The question is whether they made it in time in New York. The only way to really know how many where exposed to the Virus is through anti body testing. This hasn't been done en mass in the states. An infection rate drop off, being used to prove that the social distancing methods are working might be misleading. I'm not denying the possibility, perhaps even probability of it. As DDM says, the uncharacteristic spike in deaths, which is subject to a time lag, goes against the idea.

nobody has delusions of it being stopped in its tracks, or that it will just go away; but if we can keep the rate of new infections at a slow enough pace where the hospitals can keep up with the demand, many lives are saved, and the mortality rate projection drops, as it is dropping 👆 [/B]

Well, yes Bahsy. But this wasn't being argued.

As for more good News : Dr. Fauci:

Final death toll "looks more like 60,000 than the 100,000 to 200,000" that U.S. officials previously estimated

Originally posted by Jew Boy
As for more good News : Dr. Fauci:

Final death toll "looks more like 60,000 than the 100,000 to 200,000" that U.S. officials previously estimated

Oh shit bad news! Couldn't he have waited until after the 2020 election to say this?

What a selfish prick! *hurls Fauci under one of the double decker buses from the UK*

So the admin's actions have massively lowered the estimated death toll, cue the far-left thanking the orange man for his leadership.

😈

World Health Organization: Criticism Of Our Coronavirus Response Is Probably Racist

China has taught them well.

Originally posted by Robtard
"Health experts say California is flattening the curve" -snip

In regards to the spread of covid-19 and related deaths 👆

fantastic news. confirmed over and over: the containment methods are working 👆

NYT Calls Out De Blasio, Cuomo For Coronavirus Failures; Readers: Thanks For Finally Saying Something

At least it turns out *some* leftists realized they couldn't very well continue to only blame Trump after this without being yuge hypocrites.

I wonder when the usual suspects on here will realize it? Will they dare point a finger at a democrat?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/09/who-cited-human-transmission-risk-in-january-despite-trump-claims

Oh lordy!

Wait so the WHO knew but allowed China to lie?

This is outrageous! Thanks for this info Putinbot.

@ddm preliminary anti body testing in Europe is showing an IFR of 03.-0.6.

Still too early, but I expect those numbers to go down.

However, this was exactly the same as your early prediction.

Originally posted by Robtard
Just heard Cuomo talking, numbers for infected and the severity of the worse cases are going down a bit in NY, which is good news.

-The closures and social distancing practices are working and will continue to work if kept in place.

-The closures is something certain people here argued against and called bullshit.

When retail centers that are deemed as essential were inundated with more foot traffic than ever, you have to question how valid the claims of "social distancing" and "shelter in place" policies actually are.

The only way this works is if you have near martial law with curfews and courier services for all needs. We didn't see that. At all. The massive spike in deaths, 2 days ago, also flies directly in the face of the shelter in place model: clearly, something happened to cause that massive spike and it wasn't "shelter in place" policies.

Originally posted by Jew Boy
@ddm preliminary anti body testing in Europe is showing an IFR of 03.-0.6.

Still too early, but I expect those numbers to go down.

However, this was exactly the same as your early prediction.

Wow, now that is crazy. And, yes, that would drive the MR down, for sure. The more people exposed but were asymptomatic, the lower the MR at the end of the day.

Anytime you find data or news like this, for sure post it here. I am getting the most unique information from you when you contribute. Much of this information is buried in partisan politic news.

Originally posted by Jew Boy
@DDM.

Lombardy, regioin in North Italy, reached Heard Immunity.

70 percent of people had anti bodies without developing symptoms.

https://twitter.com/DavidePiffer/status/1246153157660606468

Originally posted by Jew Boy
Need mass anti body testing to see if the closures really did work, which we haven't had yet. Infection rates also slowed in Lombardi region of Italia - wasn't because of any social distancing practice. 70% of their populace was infected.

I checked the article you posted, it'd be great of course if it was true, but it only said that out of 60 people who were blood donors 70% were infected, not 70% of the population. There are a multitude of reasons why that may be high, and we can't extrapolate to the whole region from this.

Additionally in other areas tests were performed among a high risk group of healthcare workers that showed a much lower number, only 5%:

https://twitter.com/Mugnoz1/status/1246397080693768193?s=20

I've not seen any other info on anti-body testing that would support your thesis.

Originally posted by Artol
I checked the article you posted, it'd be great of course if it was true, but it only said that out of 60 people who were blood donors 70% were infected, [b]not 70% of the population. There are a multitude of reasons why that may be high, and we can't extrapolate to the whole region from this.

Additionally in other areas tests were performed among a high risk group of healthcare workers that showed a much lower number, only 5%:

https://twitter.com/Mugnoz1/status/1246397080693768193?s=20

I've not seen any other info on anti-body testing that would support your thesis. [/B]

70 is enough for a representative population statistic. Depends on how they were selected.

I'd think it would be difficult to make it representative, though. For something like this, you'd need 120-300. You have to make sure you have age, gender, and possible ethnicity represented (contrary to popular political correctness, your ethnicity does play a role in your health). And in larger cities, you'd need to ensure proper geography was represented (cities can have different health profiles like mini-pockets of health trends).

70 is possibly enough. Just depends on the approach on how they selected the sample for their data. Perhaps mostly young and healthy donated and you have an oversampling of the frequent travelers?