Originally posted by Blakemore
Would you prefer it if I say Trump could've done better than deny the pandemic for the first few months?
These same people and types of people attacked Obama over Ebola, claiming Obama "failed to lead" during that pandemic and "took a serious threat far too lightly". Ebola under Obama's watch.
The US will pass 200,000 deaths today.
Originally posted by RobtardWow.
These same people and types of people attacked Obama over Ebola, claiming Obama "failed to lead" during that pandemic and "took a serious threat far too lightly". Ebola under Obama's watch.The US will pass 200,000 deaths today.
This is not a critique of your argument, but I wish you'd not link wikipedia. Not trying to cause hassle, it's just the wiki article links more credible sources.
Got onto an elevator with a middle aged, cloth-mask wearing, very fat, woman.
When she saw I wasn't wearing a mask, she sighed very loudly and waddled off the elevator.
She dramatically shook her head after she got off. How dare I not wear a cloth mask like her.
Someone should tell her the research shows cloth masks put her at a greater risk of respiratory infections and her morbid obesity is the greatest risk of COVID-19 mortality.
Not masks.
Not social distancing.
Not lockdowns.
Not border closures.
All of which have been shown to be ineffective (not statistical significance compared to doing nothing), with peer reviewed, results duplicated, published, science.
I wonder how many people have fallen for the pseudo-science of mask wearing to stop the spread of the coronavirus? Enough people have that they, in ignorant self-righteous indignation, think they need to judge and lecture others on mask wearing and social distancing - neither of which are effective means to stopping the spread of SARS-CoV-2.
Originally posted by dadudemonCorrelation is not causation. But hey, you want some websites that say covid is spread through breath? Okay. Lemme google.
Please explain how and ensure you support your positions with research and not your thoughts.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/20/health/cdc-coronavirus-airborne-transmission/index.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8756787/CDC-says-guidance-coronavirus-spreads-air-posted-ERROR.html
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/21/health/cdc-reverts-airborne-transmission-guidance/index.html
https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/coronavirus-resource-center
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02058-1
I could go on. Face masks hinder the spread of the disease. FACT.
That's why Spain, Portugal and Italy are recovering well -- and even China! -- because of the precautions you idiot.
Originally posted by Blakemore👆
Correlation is not causation. But hey, you want some websites that say covid is spread through breath? Okay. Lemme google.https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/20/health/cdc-coronavirus-airborne-transmission/index.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8756787/CDC-says-guidance-coronavirus-spreads-air-posted-ERROR.html
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/21/health/cdc-reverts-airborne-transmission-guidance/index.html
https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/coronavirus-resource-center
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02058-1I could go on. Face masks hinder the spread of the disease. FACT.
That's why Spain, Portugal and Italy are recovering well -- and even China! -- because of the precautions you idiot.
According to WorldoMeters the US is at 204,913 Covid-19 deaths as of now: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Originally posted by Blakemore
Correlation is not causation. But hey, you want some websites that say covid is spread through breath? Okay. Lemme google.https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/20/health/cdc-coronavirus-airborne-transmission/index.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8756787/CDC-says-guidance-coronavirus-spreads-air-posted-ERROR.html
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/21/health/cdc-reverts-airborne-transmission-guidance/index.html
https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/coronavirus-resource-center
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02058-1
This is non-sequitur and irrelevant.
At no point did anyone talk about 'breath' and the spread of COVID-19.
You did not address what I asked for, at all. I've posted even better research that shows the virus can travel up to 27 feet from infected people and other research which shows the virus collects on the inside and outside of masks (which should scare people more than anything).
Originally posted by Blakemore
I could go on. Face masks hinder the spread of the disease. FACT.
Not fact. This has been repeatedly proven false with RCTs that examine real world outcomes with face mask usage. The only place this "fact" has been proven is in labs and lab controls using poor methods and not even all of those demonstrated efficacy.
Originally posted by Blakemore
That's why Spain, Portugal and Italy are recovering well -- and even China! -- because of the precautions you idiot.
This is false.
The only variable research has shown to correlate to COVID-19 mortality (in the set of variables you and I are discussing) is obesity and the DI of the country.
Originally posted by Blakemore
You do realise there are two different types of face masks, right?
You do realize that there are 5 different major categories of facemasks and the one that was hit or miss in the actual research (using RCTs with lab-confirmed VRIs) for actually preventing VRIs are the valveless/ventless respirators, right?
Originally posted by Blakemore
Correlation is not causation. But hey, you want some websites that say covid is spread through breath? Okay. Lemme google.https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/20/health/cdc-coronavirus-airborne-transmission/index.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8756787/CDC-says-guidance-coronavirus-spreads-air-posted-ERROR.html
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/21/health/cdc-reverts-airborne-transmission-guidance/index.html
https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/coronavirus-resource-center
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02058-1I could go on. Face masks hinder the spread of the disease. FACT.
That's why Spain, Portugal and Italy are recovering well -- and even China! -- because of the precautions you idiot.
CDC themselves said the virus is not airborne so wearing a mask is pointless anyway unless you just like being a slave to authoritarianism.
I looked it up and got confirmation:
CDC is backing off of the airborne position. What we do know is research has shown viable viruses can live on surfaces for multiple hours (viable viruses vs. just finding the virus are two different things). If you touch a surface someone sneezed on, then you rub your eyes, or you adjust your mask, you've greatly increased the chances of infecting yourself.
Originally posted by dadudemonAre you referring to the ninja masks? If so, then okay. I don't see how this is some conspiracy to limit freedom though. Seems more like a health precaution.
You do realize that there are 5 different major categories of facemasks and the one that was hit or miss in the actual research (using RCTs with lab-confirmed VRIs) for actually preventing VRIs are the valveless/ventless respirators, right?
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnaeRight. Okay, I'll dwindle. Do you have a solution?
CDC themselves said the virus is not airborne so wearing a mask is pointless anyway unless you just like being a slave to authoritarianism.
Originally posted by dadudemonSo, avoid places people have sneezed on?
I looked it up and got confirmation:CDC is backing off of the airborne position. What we do know is research has shown viable viruses can live on surfaces for multiple hours (viable viruses vs. just finding the virus are two different things). If you touch a surface someone sneezed on, then you rub your eyes, or you adjust your mask, you've greatly increased the chances of infecting yourself.
Originally posted by Blakemore
Are you referring to the ninja masks? If so, then okay. I don't see how this is some conspiracy to limit freedom though. Seems more like a health precaution.
This is another non-sequitur response to what I said. You said 2 mask types. There are 5 major categories, not 2 mask types.
Originally posted by Blakemore
So, avoid places people have sneezed on?
It is a fact that extreme isolation does reduce (not eliminate) the chances of VRIs but it is also true that your immune system plummets during isolation.
Social distancing actually works. But it needs to be 27 feet and you need to not touch any surfaces, santize your hands often.
But if you're worried about getting COVID-19, you should worry more about dying from a car crash as the chances are so tiny. Just don't be fat, eat well, and get a bit of sun. You won't be able to isolate forever from VRIs.
Originally posted by dadudemonI do that anyway. However, I sometimes wear a mask because the disease can be carried despite being symptomless.
This is another non-sequitur response to what I said. You said 2 mask types. There are 5 major categories, not 2 mask types.It is a fact that extreme isolation does reduce (not eliminate) the chances of VRIs but it is also true that your immune system plummets during isolation.
Social distancing actually works. But it needs to be 27 feet and you need to not touch any surfaces, santize your hands often.
But if you're worried about getting COVID-19, you should worry more about dying from a car crash as the chances are so tiny. Just don't be fat, eat well, and get a bit of sun. You won't be able to isolate forever from VRIs.