Coronavirus

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
seems like just another excuse to scapegoat and feel superior to fat people. what other reason is there to allow obesity to dominatw the topic? just wanna let all those fat f*cks know that you care about them? but go on bros, keep preaching. covid wouldn't exist if we were all fitness nuts, because bro science never lies, nor is it packed with gross exageration/distortion

1. It's not dominating the topic.

2. No one has claimed that covid wouldn't exist if everyone was fitness nuts.

3. The 2 main comorbidities contributing to hospitalizations and death were high blood pressure and obesity. Both above chronic lung conditions. 4th was diabetes. 5th was heart disease. Out of the 4 of those that aren't obesity, obesity contributes significantly to 3 of the others.

From the CDC

Overweight (defined as a_body mass index_(BMI) > 25 kg/m2_but < 30 kg/m2), obesity (BMI &#8805;30 kg/m2_but < 40 kg/m2), or severe obesity (BMI of_&#8805;40 kg/m2),_can make you more likely_to get severely ill from COVID-19.__The risk of severe COVID-19 illness increases sharply with elevated BMI

Also

Individuals with obesity are linked with large significant increases in morbidity and mortality from COVID-19

The UK NHS lists 10 health factors which put people into the "extremely vulnerable" category with regards to severe illness from COVID-19. Obesity contributes to 5 of those 10 factors.

4. If you want the vaccine to be as effective as possible you need to lower rates of obesity as it lowers vaccine effectiveness.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/28/pfizer-vaccine-less-effective-obesity-study

high blood pressure and obesity are the most prevelant in those with the listed comorbidity, so why is one highlighted and the other brushed aside. is there a reason they're being mysterious about which was the most prevalent? and what percentage of hospitalizations and deaths involved any comorbidity at all? not blaming you, but ever wonder why we can't just have those statistics? my belief is that the reason is at best to keep us unafraid and feeling in control, and at worst just throwing a spotlight on the obese

and yes it absolutely has been dominating the topic at points since mid 2020, as it's been used to misinform everyone that you'll probably be okay if you're not fat. let's not act like it hasn't been used cobstantly to attempt to dismiss the pandemic as "no big deal"

also we can't dismiss the high blood pressure cases as mostly/all caused by obesity, so please let's not try

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
high blood pressure and obesity are the most prevelant in those with the listed comorbidity, so why is one highlighted and the other brushed aside. is there a reason they're being mysterious about which was the most prevalent? and what percentage of hospitalizations and deaths involved any comorbidity at all? not blaming you, but ever wonder why we can't just have those statistics? my belief is that the reason is at best to keep us unafraid and feeling in control, and at worst just throwing a spotlight on the obese

and yes it absolutely has been dominating the topic at points since mid 2020, as it's been used to misinform everyone that you'll probably be okay if you're not fat. let's not act like it hasn't been used cobstantly to attempt to dismiss the pandemic as "no big deal"

also we can't dismiss the high blood pressure cases as mostly/all caused by obesity, so please let's not try

Obesity is the 2nd biggest contributing factor to high blood pressure after smoking.
It was present in 65.7% of covid fatalities in a study in Italy.
Type 2 diabetes was next with 29.4%. What it the main cause of type 2 diabetes? Obesity
Obesity alone without any other health conditions caused in part by obesity itself accounted for 11% of deaths.
Other comorbidities related at least in part to obesity were atrial fibrillation with 24%, ischaemic heart disease with 28%, heart failure 16%, stroke 11%, chronic kidney disease 21% and chronic liver disease 5%

Most of the rest of the main comorbidities are related to lifestyle choice as well as they are mostly the result of smoking related illnesses like COPD.

There's been almost zero discussion on the benefits of a healthier society helping to mitigate against this or any other respiratory disease pandemic in the media. Because apparently not being "fatphobic" and encouraging "body positivity" is more important than helping people to not die needlessly.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Obesity is the 2nd biggest contributing factor to high blood pressure after smoking.

Its also the 2nd most preventable cause of cancer after smoking.

I like how BT devolves to "Don't trust the science" when it comes to obesity, yet never questions it with Covid or vaccines. Double standards are still standards. 👆

high blood pressure is not automatically caused by poor life style choice, nor is diabetes. can we please save all that disingenuous silliness for other topics.

Nor is lung cancer automatically caused by smoking. Downplaying that it's a factor to save smoker's feelings would be silly.

there is an extremely close correlation between smoking and lung cancer. yet you haven't produced any data on what percentage of covid hospitalizations and deaths were obesity related. nuance and data matter. but have fun singling out fat people in order to combat covid. I'm sure it will inspire people to lose weight who weren't already inspired by the threat of dying (it won't inspire anyone), and I hope that the constant hijacking of the topic to focus on the general dangers of obesity are helpful to the topic (it isn't helpful, never was, quite the opposite in fact )

Obesity doesn't cause diabetes. It is a contributing factor to a diabetics overall health but no more.

Only one thing causes diabetes. Diabetes causes diabetes. Anyone who believes different needs a little scientific education.

Obesity. I know an obese 70 year old woman who had covid. Never even knew she had it except for the test results. Yes, after the first positive she had 3 more before she was cleared to leave quarentine. I know a heavy but not quite obese 76 year old minority who had covid. Lost sense of taste and smell but no other symptoms. His wife who is the same age, same monority group, living in the same house and sleeping in the same bed never got it.

Covid doesn't have rules that any of us understand. Like everything else, it will be proven that genetics decide who lives and dies. Assuming you understand something because you see a repeated pattern but not a constant pattern is pretty silly.

Like with diabetes there are things we can do to lessen the effect of covid on the population. Wear a mask. Get a vaccine. Wash your hands. Don't run around in public needlessly.

Weren't most of us educated in first world countries?

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
there is an extremely close correlation between smoking and lung cancer. yet you haven't produced any data on what percentage of covid hospitalizations and deaths were obesity related. nuance and data matter. )

Fair statement.

The CDC has this to say on the subject:

https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/obesity-and-covid-19.html

Obesity Worsens Outcomes from COVID-19
Adults with excess weight are at even greater risk during the COVID-19 pandemic:

Having obesity increases the risk of severe illness from COVID-19. People who are overweight may also be at increased risk.
Having obesity may triple the risk of hospitalization due to a COVID-19 infection.
Obesity is linked to impaired immune function.2,3
Obesity decreases lung capacity and reserve and can make ventilation more difficult.4
A study of COVID-19 cases suggests that risks of hospitalization, intensive care unit admission, invasive mechanical ventilation, and death are higher with increasing BMI.5
The increased risk for hospitalization or death was particularly pronounced in those under age 65. 5
More than 900,000 adult COVID-19 hospitalizations occurred in the United States between the beginning of the pandemic and November 18, 2020. Models estimate that 271,800 (30.2%) of these hospitalizations were attributed to obesity.6

So potentially tripling of hospital stays and over 30% related deaths overall.

Not insignificant.

Originally posted by you get thorns
Obesity doesn't cause diabetes. It is a contributing factor to a diabetics overall health but no more.

Only one thing causes diabetes. Diabetes causes diabetes. Anyone who believes different needs a little scientific education.

Obesity. I know an obese 70 year old woman who had covid. Never even knew she had it except for the test results. Yes, after the first positive she had 3 more before she was cleared to leave quarentine. I know a heavy but not quite obese 76 year old minority who had covid. Lost sense of taste and smell but no other symptoms. His wife who is the same age, same monority group, living in the same house and sleeping in the same bed never got it.

Covid doesn't have rules that any of us understand. Like everything else, it will be proven that genetics decide who lives and dies. Assuming you understand something because you see a repeated pattern but not a constant pattern is pretty silly.

Like with diabetes there are things we can do to lessen the effect of covid on the population. Wear a mask. Get a vaccine. Wash your hands. Don't run around in public needlessly.

Weren't most of us educated in first world countries?

One of the direct causes of Type 2 Diabetes is obesity. It's not the only one, sure, but it is one for a lot of the people that suffer from it.

Anecdotal evidence doesn't disprove that.

Originally posted by -Pr-
One of the direct causes of Type 2 Diabetes is obesity. It's not the only one, sure, but it is one for a lot of the people that suffer from it.

Anecdotal evidence doesn't disprove that.

There are plenty of obese people who are not diabetic. Obesity doesn't cause it or they all would be.

Not too hard to figure this one out.

Originally posted by you get thorns
There are plenty of obese people who are not diabetic. Obesity doesn't cause it or they all would be.

Not too hard to figure this one out.

Stupid argument.

Originally posted by you get thorns
There are plenty of obese people who are not diabetic. Obesity doesn't cause it or they all would be.

Not too hard to figure this one out.

That is... that is not good logic. But I'm guessing you know that.

But sure, I'll believe you over actual doctors and diabetic nurses.

There are plenty of people with Covid who do not die from Covid. Covid doesn't cause deaths, or they would all die.

Flawless logic.

Opinions are like.......

Diabetes is the major cause of blindness in the U.S. Diabetic retinopathy to be exact. Why are most old fat people not blind?

You can preach your rediculousness and claim logic til the cows come home. Medical science say otherwise. Take it from a diabetic that has never been obese.

Originally posted by -Pr-
One of the direct causes of Type 2 Diabetes is obesity. It's not the only one, sure, but it is one for a lot of the people that suffer from it.

Anecdotal evidence doesn't disprove that.

obesity is mostly a direct cause of poor eating habits, as is type 2 diabetes (on many cases at least) . can we agree that one can appear in good shape, but also destroy their arteries with cholesterol and give themselves type 2 by eating to many sugary junk foods (while still maintaining a caloric equilibrium). The most prevalent falacies of this debate is-

"these 2 things correlate, therefore one must directly cause the other as tobacco smoking obviously does with lung cancer." sure you can still get lung cancer as a nonsmoker, but the likelihood is probably comparatively laughable. that doesn't apply the same to covid and obesity, nor does the fallacy making "some", "most", and "all" interchangeable concepts with no data needed to justify. we know that the state of being obese and the state of having high blood pressure put people at a higher risk. yet attempts are constantly being made to directly assert a straight line cause&effect with zeri evidence to support it. nuance matters, many bad cholesterol cases are actually skinny and/or kinda fit (I was one)

Actually 10 to 20 percent odds for non smokers.

Radon and second hand smoke are likely to blame, but that's speculation (For all we know we could have everyone in those The Matrix pods away from all environmental factors and 20 percent get cancers anyways..)

Originally posted by cdtm
Actually 10 to 20 percent odds for non smokers.

Radon and second hand smoke are likely to blame, but that's speculation (For all we know we could have everyone in those The Matrix pods away from all environmental factors and 20 percent get cancers anyways..)

At the end of the day it is all genetics. Behavoirs both healthy and unhealthy have a lot to do with how any disease will impact you.