i thought you'd have understood the point when you researched the cdc on the matter.
btw, what's the hospitalization/death rate of fully vaccinated fatties? i have the nagging suspicion that this data would be totally relevant to the topic
as for me, if i had to choose between being an unvaccinated buff chad with covid or a fully vaccinated 350 pound brony...well...i guess i wouldnt look too bad with a fedora
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i thought you'd have understood the point when you researched the cdc on the matter.btw, what's the hospitalization/death rate of fully vaccinated fatties? i have the nagging suspicion that this data would be totally relevant to the topic
as for me, if i had to choose between being an unvaccinated buff chad with covid or a fully vaccinated 350 pound brony...well...i guess i wouldnt look too bad with a fedora
You'd think. 😅
I was at a birthday buffet earlier and had much cake, lets call it a sugar crash.
As to death rates, I can't seem to find them, but I did find this:
The fact American obesity rates in general are pretty high probably skews the data, since you're nearly fifty percent likely to be obese if you live in America to begin with..
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I can't help wondering if the removal of restrictions in the UK directly before the feast of Eid isn't insidious.
Doubt it. You know me, I'm no fan of the Tory government. Last year they were criticised for having lockdown during Ramadan and eid but not at Christmas
The reality is probably the same as last year in that they didn't even give a second thought to what the Muslim community wanted.
"CDC study finds about 78% of people hospitalized for Covid were overweight or obese".
slightly different things, overweight and obese. even when i was what i considered to be a fat f*ck, i never broke into the obese category. also there's this:
"36.5 percent of adults are obese. Another 32.5 percent of American adults are overweight."
so basically the figures are being doubled to further the distortion. look at the figures for yourself. nearly 70% of americans are either obese or overweight.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
bullshit. it's been suggested the entire thread that you're probably okay if you're not fat/cold, and you know it. and yes, you're all so very careful to not make it an absolute statement. all you do is suggest the F*CK out if it, and never drop the topic even though it's a distortion of the truth and a waste of time. what we do know is that you are only 3 times more likely to suffer symptoms, etc. but please, you also have a good time gaslighting. such fun. enjoy yourself. 👆
Would you rather we wasted time discussing all the non-preventable things that contribute to higher risk of developing more serious symptoms instead?
Because that would seem like a bigger waste of time to me.
You can get angry about the facts all you like. It doesn't change them.
"...because becoming not-obese is JUST AS QUICK, EASY, AND EFFECTIVE as getting a vaccine or putting on a mask or not standing close enough to rub your dick on a stranger's ass. *honk honk
You probably missed the fact that obesity also makes the vaccine less effective. This is also you strawmanning again in much the same way you did with your "covid wouldn't exist if everyone was fitness nuts" nonsense yesterday.
btw, what's the hospitalization/death rate of fully vaccinated fatties? i have the nagging suspicion that this data would be totally relevant to the topicas for me, if i had to choose between being an unvaccinated buff chad with covid or a fully vaccinated 350 pound brony...well...i guess i wouldnt look too bad with a fedora
Either this is you attempting to suggest that I am somehow against vaccines (I've had both doses and said in here 2 days ago that anti vaxxers are retarded) or you're attempting to misdirect away from the scientific fact that obesity increases the risk of developing more severe symptoms.
And no. You wouldn't look good in a fedora...unless you get a long black leather trench coat and katana like Ben Shapiro.
please don't do that.
from the same cdc study link cdtm posted:
"Among 148,494 adults who received a Covid-19 diagnosis during an emergency department or inpatient visit at 238 U.S. hospitals from March to December, 71,491 were hospitalized. Of those who were admitted, 27.8% were overweight and 50.2% were obese, according to the CDC report."
this is the closest thing i've seen to usable data. roughly half of those unvaccinated and hospitalized were obese. it suggests that obese people are maybe twice as likely to be hospitalized as those with a healthy BMI, and it also suggests that being overweight, while not helpful, is not even relevant here. 27.7% of unvaccinated people who were hospitalized were also overweight, which is a lower than the total percentage of overweight people in america (32.5%). can you see now why i'm being such a mathematical hardass now?
...I was probably being too generous with that “twice as likely” bad math part.
General percentage of Americans’ BMI (via google):
Normal or underweight (assumed): 31%
Overweight: 32.5%
Obese: 36.5%
Percentage of covid hospitalizations by BMI
Normal or underweight (assumed): 22.1%
Overweight: 27.7%
Obese: 50.2
So with a healthy BMI your chances drop by a significant percentage versus the obese, not the overweight, but the difference is not exponential not staggering. Obese people are in the state of constant injury, so literally everything dangerous is extra-dangerous for them. In this case the 36.5-Percenter obese folks became the 50.2% of hospitalizations.
A total of 45, 650 participants from 30 studies with BMI-defined obesity and 3 controlled studies with VAT-defined adiposity were included for assessing the risk of severe COVID-19. Univariate analyses showed significantly higher ORs of severe COVID-19 with higher BMI: 1.76 (95%: 1.21, 2.56,_P = 0.003) for hospitalization, 1.67 (95%CI: 1.26, 2.21,_P<0.001) for ICU admission, 2.19 (95%CI: 1.56, 3.07,_P<0.001) for IMV requirement, and 1.37 (95%CI: 1.06, 1.75,_P = 0.014) for death, giving an overall OR for severe COVID-19 of 1.67 (95%CI: 1.43, 1.96;_P<0.001). Multivariate analyses revealed increased ORs of severe COVID-19 associated with higher BMI: 2.36 (95%CI: 1.37, 4.07,_P = 0.002) for hospitalization, 2.32 (95%CI: 1.38, 3.90,_P = 0.001) for requiring ICU admission, 2.63 (95%CI: 1.32, 5.25,_P = 0.006) for IMV support, and 1.49 (95%CI: 1.20, 1.85,_P<0.001) for mortality, giving an overall OR for severe COVID-19 of 2.09 (95%CI: 1.67, 2.62;_P<0.001). Compared to non-severe COVID-19 patients, severe COVID-19 cases showed significantly higher VAT accumulation with a SMD of 0.49 for hospitalization (95% CI: 0.11, 0.87;_P = 0.011), 0.57 (95% CI: 0.33, 0.81;_P<0.001) for requiring ICU admission and 0.37 (95% CI: 0.03, 0.71;_P = 0.035) for IMV support. The overall SMD for severe COVID-19 was 0.50 (95% CI: 0.33, 0.68;_P<0.001).Conclusions
Obesity increases risk for hospitalization, ICU admission, IMV requirement and death among patients with COVID-19. Further, excessive visceral adiposity appears to be associated with severe COVID-19 outcomes. These findings emphasize the need for effective actions by individuals, the public and governments to increase awareness of the risks resulting from obesity and how these are heightened in the current global pandemic.
From
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7521361/
To show a similar meta analysis and so I'm not accused of cherry picking, this data set suggested higher risk of more severe symptoms but not a higher risk of death.
Using a systemic search strategy and subsequent meta-analysis of 22 studies representing n = 30,141 patients from 7 countries, we show that obesity is significantly associated with several adverse comorbidities and outcomes from COVID-19. Specifically, obese patients are approximately 3-times more likely to present with severe disease or develop ARDS, 1.7 times more likely to be hospitalized, 1.3 times more likely to be admitted to the ICU, and 1.7 times more likely to require IMV. Despite this more severe disease course, obesity was not associated with increased mortality from COVID-19. These data indicate that although obesity is associated with more severe COVID-19 and disease progression, paradoxically these associations do not appear to result in an increased risk of death.
It is not yet known why obese patients develop more severe COVID-19. One possible explanation is that obese patients express higher levels of viral entry factors. Supporting this idea are studies indicating that obesity is associated with increased expression of ACE2, a receptor for SARS-CoV-2 that is required for viral entry32, in the human lung bronchial epithelium and other potentially relevant organs such as pericardial adipose tissue33,34. These observations suggest that obese patients may have increased susceptibility to SARS-CoV-2 infection. Another possible explanation is that obese patients exhibit chronic pulmonary inflammation, which has previously been linked to an increased risk of developing inflammatory lung diseases and more severe viral pneumonia35,36,37,38. A third reason that obese patients might exhibit more severe COVID-19 is the effect of obesity on pulmonary mechanics and lung function. Obesity leads to a heavier chest wall that promotes hypoventilation and has been shown to decrease lung compliance and increase lung resistance39,40,41. These physiological parameters may increase the susceptibility of obese patients to develop respiratory failure in the setting of SARS-CoV-2 infection. Further research is needed to investigate these possibilities.
It is not clear why obesity is associated with more severe COVID-19 without being linked to an increase in mortality in our meta-analyses. Our data are restricted to the first 6_months of the pandemic and therefore represent only the first datasets published on mortality in obese and non-obese patients. Subsequently, there have been several large cohort studies42,43,44_that have identified an increased risk in mortality in obese patients infected with SARS-CoV-2, and these studies and likely other relevant studies were not included in our meta-analyses because of the cut-off date for our search. In addition, there are several meta-analyses with later search dates than ours which do show an increased risk of mortality in obese COVID-19 patients. For example, Noor et al. (2020) includes 58 studies that were published since the beginning of the pandemic and showed a pooled risk ratio of 2.18 (95% confidence interval 1.10–4.34) for death in obese vs non-obese patients45. Therefore, it is possible that the smaller number of studies in our meta-analysis and time frame of included studies led to type II error. However, if type II error did not occur in our meta-analyses and the association we report is correct, this raises the question of why obese patients do not have increased mortality despite more severe COVID-19. Obesity was associated with more severe disease but improved survival for viral pneumonias (not COVID-19)46, a phenomenon known as the obesity paradox, and there is little known about this phenomenon.
An important limitation of our study is that the analyses were not adjusted for other variables that may be related to obesity and COVID-19. Most of the available studies provided raw data on outcomes in obese vs non-obese groups but did not provide results of multivariate (i.e., adjusted) analyses. Some studies did perform multivariate analyses to adjust for age, sex, ethnicity, and/or other variables, however variations in how these studies were performed and the outcomes they reported precluded us from conducting meta-analyses with multivariate models. A second limitation is that BMI category could not be taken into account in our meta-analyses. Most studies did not stratify COVID-19 outcome data by BMI category or reported different BMI category definitions that precluded meta-analysis. It is possible that higher BMI categories (e.g. BMI > 45_kg/m2) are associated with increased or decreased risks of some outcomes compared to lower BMI categories (BMI 30–34.9_kg/m2). Third, the search date for this systematic review and meta-analysis was inclusive of studies published within the first ~ 6_months of the COVID-19 pandemic, some of which were relatively small or underpowered. It is possible that subsequent larger studies that enable careful adjustment for potential confounding variables could shift the landscape of published literature and could influence the pr
From
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-86694-1
Our study found obesity increased the prevalence of SARS-CoV2 infection and the severity of COVID-19 (as assessed by the need for hospitalisation, severe cases, need for ICU admission, need for IMV and mortality). Patients with overweight presented with a higher rate of hospitalisation and higher requirement of IMV. However, a non-linear association between BMI and the severity of COVID-19 was found. To our knowledge, this study is the largest meta-analysis conducted so far to comprehensively explore the association between obesity and COVID-19.
Yates_et al. analysed UK biobank data and found that overweight and obese patients were at a higher risk of getting the SARS-CoV-2 in a dose−response manner. Compared to a healthy weight, overweight, obese and severely obese (BMI ⩾35) subjects had a 1.31-, 1.55-, or 1.57-fold higher probability of SARS-CoV-2 positivity [68]. Chadeau-Hyam_et al. reported that severe obesity is independently associated with the risk of obtaining COVID-19 with an odds ratio >1.05 by analysing the data from Public Health England [69]. In our meta-analysis, patients with a BMI ⩾30 had a 1.39 times higher chance of having COVID-19 than those with a healthy weight, which was in line with previous studies.
From Cambridge University
if you aren't old and fat your chances are very good of surviving.
Because I was right in that statement and if you dig deeper you can use the CDC to inspect age and other factors but obesity in old age was a huge easy to see problem with covid because with those two factors it also brought a rather large set of other comorbidity factors such as heart disease and diabetes type 2...it was not just being fat.....young people had practically no deaths ( and I haven't analyzed if their deaths coincided with obesity.)
330million ppl in the USA and most of the 600k deaths were from ppl over 55 and many in nursing homes specifically.
Now the shitty part is looking to see how ppl that had severe reactions have with potential side affects.
nah, your borrowed old thread-derailing assertion was not correct. your chances are not "very good" at surviving simply because you're not obese or old. the unvaccinated figures prove that (except we didn't get into age group percentages) . but yes, being obese makes potentially deadly things even more potentially deadly. you got me there, even though I never argued against that
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
nah, your borrowed old thread-derailing assertion was not correct. your chances are not "very good" at surviving simply because you're not obese or old.
With 600k dead and a population of 330 million your chances are very good of survival. I'll bet half those deaths maybe a quarter were specifically nursing home related.
Originally posted by snowdragon
With 600k dead and a population of 330 million your chances are very good of survival. I'll bet half those deaths maybe a quarter were specifically nursing home related.
that goes for the obese as well, so not sure why you mention it. unless your point is that we all have a very good chance of survival? but yeah half a million Vs 300+ million is a big difference. yup...not helpful, but good to know 👆
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
that goes for the obese as well, so not sure why you mention it. but yeah half a million Vs 300+ million is a big difference. yup... good to know
Because it related to deaths and being obese generally comes with other ailments, I'm not looking to be a dick I'm just stating what you can read on the cdc website.
Originally posted by snowdragonThat's only true as long as we don't overcrowd the hospitals by keeping the number of sick small at any given time.
With 600k dead and a population of 330 million your chances are very good of survival. I'll bet half those deaths maybe a quarter were specifically nursing home related.
Also losing over a half million people is not a small number.
The smallest state in the U.S. is only around half a million people.
It's even worse because we could have kept that number to sub 300k easily if people just listened to experts instead of right-wing morons.