Coronavirus

Originally posted by Raptor22
There was no debate. U refused to debate it unless it was in a bz for a ban like a super cool kid. Now i apparently lost the debate on the topic u refused to discuss. What a joke.

Keep acting like a joke and ill keep treating u like a joke.

“Refuse to debate”? You mean a BZ challenge isn’t a debate? I challenged you, you ran. If you had any pride, you’d take up the challenge and fight.

You know why I challenged you? Because you were trolling. Pretend-winning that you’ve managed to defeat my logic then refusing to point out where when asked. That is trolling. Had you simply pointed it out, we could have continued debating but you keep refusing when asked. But I cannot refute something if you do not point it out. I challenge ppl I suspect as trolls to determine if they really believe in what they say. You apparently don’t.

Do you know why stakes are important? Because I refuse to get trololol’d after I take the time and put together a decent argument. You seem like the type who would do just that in a BZ.

Now you’re salty because you know you can’t back up what you say and you’ve shown how scared you are to actually debate. And you diminish your RL actions/contributions (if they’ve even true) by USING them to lash out at someone in the internet. I mean, seriously, think about that.

Looks like you got a lot of growing up to do, kid.

Soooo u want me to get u some extra soft charmin for all that butt hurt?

All u had to do was look back a cpl pages like i told u. I said im not going to hold ur hand.

You've mentioned being a father here. The way ur throwing lil tantrums u dont seem mature enough to raise a kid.

Originally posted by Raptor22
Soooo u want me to get u some extra soft charmin for all that butt hurt?

All u had to do was look back a cpl pages like i told u. I said im not going to hold ur hand.

You've mentioned being a father here. The way ur throwing lil tantrums u dont seem mature enough to raise a kid.

Lol. You’re projecting.

Only one of us was so salty that he deemed it necessary to bring in RL so-called “accomplishments” in the interwebs because he couldn’t win in a debate.

I mean seriously, dude. That is so pathetic.

I hope ur not wasting all ur tp on drying ur tears. That shits too valuable nowadays

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Lol. You’re projecting.

Only one of us was so salty that he deemed it necessary to bring in RL so-called “accomplishments” in the interwebs because he couldn’t win in a debate.

I mean seriously, dude. That is so pathetic.

Ur the one trying to use the fact that u have all the time in the world to do a bz to claim faux victory in an online debate, when everyone in the world doesn't have that luxury.

Some of us only have small amounts of time throughout they day to waste on kmc. Its why some of us only have a 2,400 posts in over a decade.

But have fun with that taking pride in bz challenge faux win thing u have going 4 u.

Originally posted by Raptor22
Ur the one trying to use the fact that u have all the time in the world to do a bz to claim faux victory in an online debate, when everyone in the world doesn't have that luxury.

Some of us only have small amounts of time throughout they day to waste on kmc. Its why some of us only have a 2,400 posts in over a decade.

But have fun with taking pride in bz challenge faux win thing u have going 4 u.

Lol. A BZ take a few hours of your time every few days. You seem to have plenty of time to come here and whine over how you ran from a challenge. Might wanna wipe the tail between your legs, your BS is getting on it.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Lol. A BZ take a few hours of your time every few days. You seem to have plenty of time to come here and whine over how you ran from a challenge. Might wanna wipe the tail between your legs, your BS is getting on it.

Like i said ur a joke

Originally posted by Raptor22
u wouldn't invest the time it takes to look back a cpl pages but u expect me to waste a few hours a day.

Like i said ur a joke

I looked, I didn’t find where you “refuted” my logic. I asked for clarity, you refused to give it. I feel that you were trolling me, that is why you got challenged.

Go ahead, point out where you “refuted” my point. Show me why my analogies were false. Here’s your chance. Stop crying and point it out.

A joke is when a person has to resort to bragging about RL things in the Interwebz because he can’t win an argument.

Originally posted by Raptor22
@ddm

So ive been following ur breakdowns and as hesitant as ive been to agree completly with u as to the degree of worry we should have, im slowly starting 2 lean a bit more that way.

After surt posted about that 18 year old that died from it yesterday i was looking for an article on it and came across several about teenagers who die from the seasonal flu.

Apart from the stories being freaking heartbreaking, i was pretty shocked at how often it happens.

Now i remember u posting something a lil while from a dr saying that stopping the flu is an impossible task or something along those lines.

I was wondering ur opinion on the line of thought that ignoring which one is worse in its own, its obviously more dangerous to be dealing with both at the same time than either separately.

Since the stopping the flu is an impossible hill to climb

Do u feel that the levels of worry/caution are warranted in an attempt to stop corona as fast as possible in an effort to avoid major outbreaks of both at once?

Sorry, I missed this. It got lost in the Nibs and Raptor22 posts. 🙁

But, you're right. Some people just have a weird combination of immuno-response and "biome" in their bodies that results in death, even if healthy, when exposed to the cold and the flu. Same with SARS-CoV-2. It will kill people.

And about the "seasonal flu": it is a combination of 4 major flu viruses.

1. H1N1
2. H3N2
3. Victoria
4. Yamagata

And about the WHO quote you talked about:

“We don’t even talk about containment for seasonal flu — it’s just not possible,” Tedros said. “But it is possible for Covid-19. We don’t do contact-tracing for seasonal flu — but countries should do it for Covid-19, because it will prevent infections and save lives. Containment is possible.”

...

On Monday, Tedros said, “We have never seen before a respiratory pathogen that’s capable of community transmission but at the same time which can also be contained with the right measures. If this was an influenza epidemic, we would have expected to see widespread community transmission across the globe by now and efforts to slow it down or contain it would not be feasible.”

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/03/who-coronavirus-different-than-influenza-can-be-contained/

@nib

My statement from pg63 of this thread- "Fyi ive already explained in this thread why analogies identical to yours are faulty."

This was in response to an anology by ddm nearly identical to all of yours from pg60-

"To make it a closer analogy it would be like lying and saying drinking water could save your life form a deadly virus thats sweepimg the nation where the majority of the country is scarred shitless, but no one can get water (the thing our president falsely told us is safe and can save us) but they can get ice."

Its pretty obvious that ur analogies lacked the crucial depth and detail necessary to depict the actual situation.

Instead of looking yourself or asking decently, u refused, shouted in all caps, called me a liar, accused me of tds, and implied i was a coward by repeatedly accusing me of running away because i refused to engage in ur bz for ban challenge. Even after ur "were all in isolation" comments and i made it clear to u that i wasn't and i didnt have time, u continued ur schtick.

Even tho u were the one who brought up things like tds and available time first, somehow i was a troll who was distracting from the topic or bragging even tho my comments were in direct response to things u brought up.

Its a shame that this entire debacle was the product of nothing more than ur baseless assumptions and pissy child like attitude.

Originally posted by Raptor22
@nib

My statement from pg63 of this thread- "Fyi ive already explained in this thread why analogies identical to yours are faulty."

This was in response to an anology by ddm nearly identical to all of yours from pg60-

"To make it a closer analogy it would be like lying and saying drinking water could save your life form a deadly virus thats sweepimg the nation where the majority of the country is scarred shitless, but no one can get water (the thing our president falsely told us is safe and can save us) but they can get ice."

Its pretty obvious that ur analogies lacked the crucial depth and detail necessary to depict the actual situation.

Instead of looking yourself or asking decently, u refused, shouted in all caps, called me a liar, accused me of tds, and implied i was a coward by repeatedly accusing me of running away because i refused to engage in ur bz for ban challenge. Even after ur "were all in isolation" comments and i made it clear to u that i wasn't and i didnt have time, u continued ur schtick.

Even tho u were the one who brought up things like tds and available time first, somehow i was a troll who was distracting from the topic or bragging even tho my comments were in direct response to things u brought up.

Its a shame that this entire debacle was the product of nothing more than ur baseless assumptions and pissy child like attitude.

Originally posted by Raptor22
@nib

My statement from pg63 of this thread- "Fyi ive already explained in this thread why analogies identical to yours are faulty."

This was in response to an anology by ddm nearly identical to all of yours from pg60-

"To make it a closer analogy it would be like lying and saying drinking water could save your life form a deadly virus thats sweepimg the nation where the majority of the country is scarred shitless, but no one can get water (the thing our president falsely told us is safe and can save us) but they can get ice."

Its pretty obvious that ur analogies lacked the crucial depth and detail necessary to depict the actual situation.

Instead of looking yourself or asking decently, u refused, shouted in all caps, called me a liar, accused me of tds, and implied i was a coward by repeatedly accusing me of running away because i refused to engage in ur bz for ban challenge. Even after ur "were all in isolation" comments and i made it clear to u that i wasn't and i didnt have time, u continued ur schtick.

Even tho u were the one who brought up things like tds and available time first, somehow i was a troll who was distracting from the topic or bragging even tho my comments were in direct response to things u brought up.

Its a shame that this entire debacle was the product of nothing more than ur baseless assumptions and pissy child like attitude.

facepalm

FYI, when you claim to refute someone’s argument and that the refutation is somewhere in the thread, the person is really only obliged to look as far as the argument in question that you claimed was refuted. That is because a refutation is assumed to happen AFTER an argument is made. -_-

He is not obliged to comb thru a 60+ thread. Especially when you made 1) no reference of how far exactly I have to look 2) Wasn’t even a reply to me or my post 3) referred to a reply I already covered w/o the use of an analogy (thus it was something I would not be inclined to look back to). 4) Does NOT provide an explanation on why analogies like mine were faulty (like you claimed you provided and is what I was asking for).

You just made your own analogy and claimed it was the closest one. But even here, you are wrong. Your analogy is lacking. Because while it does demonstrate the way one item can have 2 forms, it is only half-accurate as you forgot to showcase what can happen due to improper usage.

Which is actually the important part. Because that is the CAUSE of the damage you want to attribute to Trump. And w/c is why my analogies are so much better than yours.

Everything becomes dangerous when you use them incorrectly. Ppl who start swallowing giant cubes of ice and ending up choking from them is STILL not Trump’s fault no matter how much he much he praises the life-saving qualities of water vs a virus.

These ppl used the wrong thing, the wrong way against both common sense, reason and probably even professional advice (like the do not drink label in the damned fish tank cleaner). Them hurting themselves is on them. We are each responsible for our own actions regardless of how much you might wanna blame someone you don’t like for it. Again, IF you really wanna blame someone, blame Darwin.

You just wasted both our time (causing us to do a pointless back and forth) on a weak easily refutable reply that you could have easily pointed out if you weren’t trying so hard to be a smartass (but like your analogy you only managed to go halfway. You were an ass, yes. But smart? Nah.).

That was h1 level dumb. W/c is quite an accomplishment. I give you permission to humble-brag about this one. This is the correct forum after all.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
I quite like Nib, but he does have a tendency to holla troll when he runs out of arguments as for BZ, who has the time for that?

Sigh, PB. Your attempts at stirring the pot is noted. Move on, brah.

Ur made up rules as far as obligations go are meaningless. I told u a cpl posts later it was just a cpl pages back.

I didnt claim it was the closest one. I claimed it was closer. Learn 2 read.

U wasted our time with ur expectations for me to hold ur hand, not do any work urself, making personal attacks about tds driving me insane, right from the get go, troll accusation, calling me a liar etc...

Any critique u wanted to make about my analogy points u could have made earlier if u only had either looked, or not pulled all ur bs and just asked decently.

But u had to be an uppity lil *****, cry about tds and name call instead of debate.

Now ur in here whining about obligations after the stuff u pulled. Gtfo with that

Originally posted by Raptor22
@nib

My statement from pg63 of this thread- "Fyi ive already explained in this thread why analogies identical to yours are faulty."

This was in response to an anology by ddm nearly identical to all of yours from pg60-

"To make it a closer analogy it would be like lying and saying drinking water could save your life form a deadly virus thats sweepimg the nation where the majority of the country is scarred shitless, but no one can get water (the thing our president falsely told us is safe and can save us) but they can get ice."

Its pretty obvious that ur analogies lacked the crucial depth and detail necessary to depict the actual situation.

Instead of looking yourself or asking decently, u refused, shouted in all caps, called me a liar, accused me of tds, and implied i was a coward by repeatedly accusing me of running away because i refused to engage in ur bz for ban challenge. Even after ur "were all in isolation" comments and i made it clear to u that i wasn't and i didnt have time, u continued ur schtick.

Even tho u were the one who brought up things like tds and available time first, somehow i was a troll who was distracting from the topic or bragging even tho my comments were in direct response to things u brought up.

Its a shame that this entire debacle was the product of nothing more than ur baseless assumptions and pissy child like attitude.

At this point, I wish you would do the challenge, so he can take the ban, and you can put him out of our collective misery.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
At this point, I wish you would do the challenge, so he can take the ban, and you can put him out of our collective misery.

THERE you are! I thought you disappeared on me!

Hope you managed to get the post I replied to you on some pages back:

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
No, I am reading the results from Ipsos linked in the Newsweek article.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Might wanna recheck...

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2020-03/topline-abc-news-coronavirus-032020.pdf

As for the ban and BZ, YES! I would love for him to take it. And if I lose, I’d love to take that ban. Pls convince him.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
...as for BZ, who has the time for that?

Apparently, everyone. Because we are all at home or a residence. 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
Apparently, everyone. Because we are all at home or a residence. 🙂

Originally posted by Raptor22
Ur made up rules as far as obligations go are meaningless. I told u a cpl posts later it was just a cpl pages back.

I didnt claim it was the closest one. I claimed it was closer. Learn 2 read.

U wasted our time with ur expectations for me to hold ur hand, not do any work urself, making personal attacks about tds driving me insane, right from the get go, troll accusation, calling me a liar etc...

Any critique u wanted to make about my analogy points u could have made earlier if u only had either looked, or not pulled all ur bs and just asked decently.

But u had to be an uppity lil *****, cry about tds and name call instead of debate.

Now ur in here whining about obligations after the stuff u pulled. Gtfo with that

Let me give you a little refresher. This is where our argument hit a snag:

Originally posted by Raptor22
Fyi ive already explained in this thread why analogies identical to yours are faulty.

And this is where I asked you to point it out:

Originally posted by Nibedicus
At NO POINT did you explain in this thread why my analogies are faulty. If you did, repost it.

And this is where you refused.

Originally posted by Raptor22
I already told u im not holding ur hand. Look back a cpl pgs or dont. Its up 2 u.

Let me get this straight:

You claimed you gave an explanation.

I asked you where it is. You won’t tell me where it is.

And you tell me to look for it.

But it actually wasn’t actually an explanation but just your own analogy w/c was not even a reply to me. That I already posted a reply to.

And you expected me to go comb thru a 60 page thread to look for something that wasn’t actually what you said it was?

And you complained that I refused to debate and blame me why our debate degenerated?

......
............

Are you an idiot?

Seriously, are you demented? Do you understand how unlikely it would be for a person to find a post w/c was not what was asked for, not what you said it was and not even addressed to me? I’m not psychic, when you said “explained” I would naturally go looking for an explanation, not an analogy. Because I can’t read your mind in w/c one of the posts you placed was the explanation you deemed proved that my analogies were false... -_-

Seriously. Think.