Coronavirus

Started by Nibedicus504 pages

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
It's difficult not to blame people when lives are lost, because there's an innate need to feel justified in most people. And you're right, a lot of leaders will invariably make decisions which cost lives. That's fact.

But we don't (or shouldn't) blame say, a surgeon who is attempting a risky life saving operation who fails despite planning and intent. We [b]should blame a surgeon who puts off the surgery or fails to plan for foreseen eventualities during the procedure. [/B]

I agree. I will say I share in your frustration.

The difference between Trump’s case and your analogy is that a surgeon tends to follow guidelines that are specifically based on both science and ethics and then outlined in best practice. Blame can be placed once the surgeon deviates from these standards/guidelines (through hubris or incompetence) and then something bad happens. Even in the medical field, however, it is not always black or white (I actually starting walking down this line of thought until I realized I’ve typed an extra tangential paragraph so I erased and went back to my original point).

But what happens when those that set these very standards or are the ones that are looked to to determine what the standards should be were wrong (WHO)? Is the surgeon then to be blamed for not taking that extra risk outside recommended standards? What happens if he does take the risk and he was then, in hindsight, proven wrong?

The burden of leadership is a heavy one. And often it is not as black or white as we think it is. Although, of course, there are certainly many black or white ones as well. Bottom line, while there is more than enough blame to go around we need to blame the right parties with the right blame.

I will say I really appreciate the calm and IMO intelligent discussion we are having. It has become extremely boring/stressful at in isolation lately (one would say that is a bit of a paradox but yet here we are).

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I figured since you had your thumb on the pulse of truth you could readily provide to me said proof. But instead you burden me with 20 pages of grab ass and a Faux News article which is dubious at best.

Your assertion: The WHO are corrupt; therefore, they sat on evidence in a transparent attempt to favor China, and are responsible for every death stemming from the outbreak.

Issues with this:

1. The level of 'corruption' in the WHO is not objective fact. The burden of proof is on you to provide corruption specific to your assertion. That is, simply providing any corruption is insufficient if it does not directly relate to this issue.

2. The WHO did their job in terms of communicating with China and the world, and made their recommendations public often, early, with some caution to avoid causing undo panic with their PHEIC declaration. This is evident in the very article I posted and evident in the fact that some nations' medical bodies took notice as they're supposed to, like the CDC.

3. The WHO is a [b]reactionary body, which attempts to get coordination from its member nations and work on a solution which benefits them. It is not an executive branch of some planet wide shadow government, and it cannot act on anything other than information given to it by member states. This includes access to the sick, information and data, and up to date statistics. The WHO can try to put boots on the ground, but if a member nation cockblocks them, it's not their fault.

If the information is given, and a member nation fails to react on it at in a timely and efficient manner, then it stands to reason the WHO are not culpable for the deaths and mayhem caused. The nation in question is culpable and those in a position to make policy decisions have blame for their actions, if those actions lead to needless infection and death.

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If that's too much English for you, I'll break it down:

Jimmy has measles.

Jimmy goes in the ballpit at Rat Cheese Emporium.

RCE finds out later from Jimmy's mom and calls the parents of the other kids in attendance that day.

Some of those parents decide to delay or ignore the recommendation to seek medical help and isolate/quarantine.

Additional kids get sick, and some even die as a result of this.

RCE is not responsible for the spread, given that they did their job in educating the parents on issue and proper course of action.

Additionally, RCE is not showing favoritism to Jimmy's mom in this case by sitting on anything

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This counters your entire argument

Originally posted by Nibedicus
The ABSOLUTE corruption of the WHO is never more evident than in this video:

YouTube video

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
This counters your entire argument

This plugin, like your stance, is not supported.

It's not the "WHO" anymore... it's the CHO.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
It's not the "WHO" anymore... it's the CHO.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
dur

Originally posted by gold slorg
lost my job to corona

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will die homeless

A bit late to comment, but really sorry to hear that, man. I hope something comes along that can hopefully improve things on your end. I have friends who are in a somewhat similar position due to our own lockdown and RSA's economic issues and they're freaking out.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more-than-1000-in-us-die-in-a-single-day-from-coronavirus-doubling-the-worst-daily-death-toll-of-the-flu/ar-BB122UBy?li=BBnb7Kz

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Originally posted by Stringer
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more-than-1000-in-us-die-in-a-single-day-from-coronavirus-doubling-the-worst-daily-death-toll-of-the-flu/ar-BB122UBy?li=BBnb7Kz

1000 dead in 24 hours

Originally posted by Stringer
1000 dead in 24 hours

remember what we learned here: it's no big deal and everyone is just overreacting

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
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Chinatown here can be a dangerous place

Didn't NYC have a major event not long ago? Lot of people mingling, close proximity?

Originally posted by cdtm
Didn't NYC have a major event not long ago? Lot of people mingling, close proximity?

Lol people literally gathered together to witness the arrive of a ship meant to help with the virus.

citation instead of speculation, please

i know it's hip and cool and edgy these days to scapegoat new york

Oh and we have our next witch hunt already in motion: Adam Schiff is talking about setting up a 9/11 style committee to find out "what went wrong".

Lol. Clowns. How many times are we gonna have to witness these people fail in their quest to get Trump?

https://nypost.com/2020/03/30/crowds-ignore-social-distancing-rules-to-watch-usns-comfort/

I know I know, NY post, right wing,etc.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/usns-comfort-nyc-coronavirus-stay-home_n_5e82480cc5b6d38d98a2eff2

holy crap it's as if there are a sub-population of retards...which ONLY dwell in new york. thanks for the illumination surt

Oh it's not just there, nearly half of a group of 70 little einsteins who went on spring break as a group came back with the virus. I don't think they are from New York.

And of those nearly half(28 I believe) only 4 were not showing symptoms.

Shit all this talk of retooling factories for medical supplies, what about the ever increasing need for Darwin awards? This is gonna be a banner year for those awards, a banner year.

Originally posted by Surtur

Shit all this talk of retooling factories for medical supplies, what about the ever increasing need for Darwin awards? This is gonna be a banner year for those awards, a banner year.

wow that's funny. and your weasel-like quip implies that new yorkers do not deserve essential supplies, and should just die untreated and slowly of asphyxiation, while not actually saying it and looking like a total piece of shit.

Left-wing officials angry that 'anti-LGBTQ' Franklin Graham, Samaritan's Purse are helping NYC coronavirus victims. Officials get smacked right down.

Lol.

"Franklin Graham has a long history of spewing anti-LGBTQ hate speech, and I find it extremely troubling that he and his organization are involved in our relief efforts in any way. New York City is known around the world for its embrace of diversity, and Franklin Graham has spent his career standing against these values. I will be monitoring this situation closely and making sure that our city's values are being represented at all times."

Shit who wants to tell these people about Operation Paperclip?