Coronavirus

Originally posted by Blakemore
I'm with DDM, the lockdowns has helped in cases like pneumonia, but COVID19, it was a bit extreme.....

Ah well, lives have been saved and we're in the waning period now. Attribute that to the lockdowns, it's not much of a bother to me, I'm just glad we're on the up.

I hope we are in the waning period. I think that might be different from country to country. President Trump, for example, just today suggested that deaths will continue to spike over the next two weeks. France, Italy and Spain on the other hand seem to be getting it slowly under control.

On the other hand even if the lockdowns can be eased, according to most experts and most countries that won't mean we can go back to the exact same way it was before. There will still be a need for things like social distancing, increased hygiene and possibly the widespread usage of mask by the population. As well as strict contract tracing by the countries, to ensure a second runaway increase doesn't happen.

@DDM.

Lombardy, regioin in North Italy, reached Heard Immunity.

70 percent of people had anti bodies without developing symptoms.

https://twitter.com/DavidePiffer/status/1246153157660606468

Originally posted by Artol
I hope we are in the waning period. I think that might be different from country to country. President Trump, for example, just today suggested that deaths will continue to spike over the next two weeks. France, Italy and Spain on the other hand seem to be getting it slowly under control.

On the other hand even if the lockdowns can be eased, according to most experts and most countries that won't mean we can go back to the exact same way it was before. There will still be a need for things like social distancing, increased hygiene and possibly the widespread usage of mask by the population. As well as strict contract tracing by the countries, to ensure a second runaway increase doesn't happen.

An impromptu Pink Floyd cover band concert held Saturday night on the front lawn of a Rumson home and attended by about 30 middle-aged adults was busted by police who warned the public about hosting similar get-togethers that violate Gov. Phil Murphy’s ban on social gatherings amid the coronavirus pandemic.

Officers were called to the area of Blackpoint Road near Wood Lane and found two guitarists equipped with microphones and amplifiers who were also broadcasting the concert via Facebook Live. Responding officers were met with comments like “F-the police” and “welcome to Nazi Germany” from the crowd when they were told to leave, according to a Facebook post from the Rumson Police.

https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/04/cops-break-up-pink-floyd-cover-bands-coronavirus-concert-on-homes-front-lawn.html

What's going on in NY?

US Deaths: 677
NY Deaths: 594

Almost all of the deaths are in NY at the moment.

PVS, what is going on in NY? Why is it like that?

why don't you tell me, since you know so much

Originally posted by Jew Boy
@DDM.

Lombardy, regioin in North Italy, reached Heard Immunity.

70 percent of people had anti bodies without developing symptoms.

https://twitter.com/DavidePiffer/status/1246153157660606468

I read about this. There are likely many exceptions but some locations likely have hit well-beyond 70% exposure to the virus. I'm a broken record at this point but "testing testing testing" is the only way to make progress. We need mass antibody testing.

Originally posted by Artol
It seems unlikely that there is a large immunization in the general population, therefore measures to slow down the spread seem appropriate.

We'll hopefully soon get some more data about when widespread testing becomes feasible, I think some countries in Europe are already planning projects like that for the near future.

However even with the data we have now we can make some reasonable estimates how far the virus has spread asymptomatically, and the hope that a large percentage of the populace already had it, sadly, seems like wishful thinking.

I don't know if you're a duplicate/sock puppet account of someone else but if you aren't, welcome. Thanks for your well-thought-out post.

My position is that everyone should return back to their normal lives, all restrictions lifted, and only recommendations for hygiene and social distancing from the vulnerable, every single flu season.

I also think the government should be pouring money into antibody tests and for testing stations to be setup all over the US based on population. To be comprehensive, we can also do nasal swabs for those who may be contagious or ill at the point of test.

We needed mass produced antibody tests 2-3 weeks ago.

Originally posted by Artol
I hope we are in the waning period. I think that might be different from country to country. President Trump, for example, just today suggested that deaths will continue to spike over the next two weeks. France, Italy and Spain on the other hand seem to be getting it slowly under control.

On the other hand even if the lockdowns can be eased, according to most experts and most countries that won't mean we can go back to the exact same way it was before. There will still be a need for things like social distancing, increased hygiene and possibly the widespread usage of mask by the population. As well as strict contract tracing by the countries, to ensure a second runaway increase doesn't happen.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
why don't you tell me, since you know so much

I figured since you act like you know everything with your righteous indignation and angry outbursts, and everyone else is wrong, that you'd have an explanation. I thought I'd ask you first to avoid upsetting you. Also, you're in NY.

You know I already thought about it. But the data doesn't match and there seems to be no reasonable explanation.

For example: population density and tourism.

Nope, Seoul and Tokyo are similar. Larger populations, too. Far less cases. Far less deaths. Their isolations were not extreme and/or enforced with martial law. My nephew is living in Tokyo at the moment: he reports similar isolation to the US situation. Far less cases.

We can't claim that they simply didn't test - we know that to be untrue.

So why is NY doing far worse than similarly large and dense cities? Trump issued a travel ban from China very early in the game - didn't work, obviously. So did Japan - worked. 😐

NY also has some of the wealthiest people in the world and multiple of the world's best hospitals.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/03/coronavirus-new-york-coronavirus-hit-nyc-hard-12504210/

cool post 👆

Originally posted by dadudemon
I figured since you act like you know everything with your righteous indignation and angry outbursts, and everyone else is wrong, that you'd have an explanation. I thought I'd ask you first to avoid upsetting you. Also, you're in NY.

You know I already thought about it. But the data doesn't match and there seems to be no reasonable explanation.

For example: population density and tourism.

Nope, Seoul and Tokyo are similar. Larger populations, too. Far less cases. Far less deaths. Their isolations were not extreme and/or enforced with martial law. My nephew is living in Tokyo at the moment: he reports similar isolation to the US situation. Far less cases.

We can't claim that they simply didn't test - we know that to be untrue.

So why is NY doing far worse than similarly large and dense cities? Trump issued a travel ban from China very early in the game - didn't work, obviously. So did Japan - worked. 😐

NY also has some of the wealthiest people in the world and multiple of the world's best hospitals.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/03/coronavirus-new-york-coronavirus-hit-nyc-hard-12504210/

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Bussiness hub, tourism, high ethnic population visiting family abroad and family abroad visiting then. London is the same, so proportionally are Cairo, Lagos and Abuja probably.

I'll check the data. You could be onto the reason.

The first link says Tokyo is 98.5% Japanese. Second link is wikipedia and says that same figure is similar for all of Japan.

http://perrinbenaghtokyo.weebly.com/demographics.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_of_Japan

However, the people in Tokyo swells by 2.4 million each day as people from neighboring areas visit Tokyo for work, leisure, and school.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo#Demographics

This would indicate that Japan may have a mostly homogeneous population but travel is among the most extreme compared to most other places in the world (perhaps the greatest? Mumbai, Delhi, and Bangalore do not experience such drastic daily population differences).

But, yeah, I suspect Seoul to be similar. Lots of tourists in Seoul and Tokyo. Tons. But probably not as much as NYC. That might explain NY.

edit -

NYC saw similar spikes in their poor neighborhoods during the H1N1 outbreak of 2009:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3298321/

It should be noted that 50% of those new patients were from poor neighborhoods. I wonder if there is a correlation to poverty and and respiratory illness (I am not being snarky).

But NYC didn't have the most deaths related to H1N1:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic_in_the_United_States_by_state

you really needed whirly to tell you that? wow

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
you really needed whirly to tell you that? wow

I don't think you read my whole post: still doesn't explain it as I already pointed out tourism is huge in Tokyo and Seoul, as well, with Tokyo having among the most extreme if not the most extreme daily change in population numbers of any city in the world. Whirly's explanation does not explain the situation.

I recommend you read more before responding.

I'll pass on reading your wall of dogshit, thanks though 👆

PVS, you are shit........ that is all.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
I'll pass on reading your wall of dogshit, thanks though 👆

I'm starting to see why you've always came off as closed-minded.

🙄

A questionable site called "DC Dirty Laundry" said that Pelosi profited "bigly" from the Jan stock purchases after the COVID-19 hysteria settled in. $5.5 million in investments:

https://dcdirtylaundry.com/pelosi-made-millions-after-congressional-coronavirus-meetings-pelosi-bought-5-million-in-amazon-stock-before-u-s-retailers-were-forced-to-close/

I looked for more credible sources and I found it:

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/nancy-pelosi-husband-bought-amazon-facebook-shares-stock-senator-investments-2020-2-1028900178

So this is legit. When there were calls for the heads of the Republicans purchasing stocks "after briefings", where where the calls for Democrat heads?

I still say that you need to look at their trading habits before and after to determine if there was any impropriety. If this is normal trading habit, then there is nothing suspect. If not, it is an ethics concern and they should be investigated and/or prosecuted for abusing their public office to do what is basically insider trading.

And reporting COVID-19 deaths, based on CDC guidelines, may be resulting in overreporting of COVID-19 deaths:

Right from the CDC, March 24th:

COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death...

...If the death certificate reports terms such as “probable COVID-19” or “likely COVID-19,” these terms would be assigned the new ICD code. It Is not likely that NCHS will follow up on these cases.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/coronavirus/Alert-2-New-ICD-code-introduced-for-COVID-19-deaths.pdf

Here in Ireland, we were told to quarantine until the 12th (Easter Sunday). With the Monday being a bank holiday, I'm very curious to see what will or won't open back up on the Tuesday.

I'm half-expecting the PM to extend it, though.