here you go, princess tenderbuns, NOT fox https://www.whio.com/news/coronavirus-experts-say-dogs-cats-are-not-affected/4TY2wPVzJUQHS9mTesiLaJ/
*Edit* ooooooh look, cnn. you can deflect to that:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/03/20/health/pets-dogs-cats-coronavirus-wellness/index.html
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
glad you find it funny. saddens me, actually. and I don't even have pets anymore, so the misinformation about pets being 100% safe was never a threat to me or any furry companion of mine
Eh, I'm not one to judge you for being friends with furries. Whatever consenting adults want to do with each other n'all that.
Originally posted by dadudemon
What's going on in NY?US Deaths: 677
NY Deaths: 594Almost all of the deaths are in NY at the moment.
I'm not sure where these numbers are from, perhaps they use a very different methodology, but the officially reported numbers are very different.
For one the deaths in NY are almost ten times as high as the numbers you quoted. And nearby New Jersey is also heavily affected. But there have been many states where deaths have been in the mid 100s as well.
New York is hit very hard, but other regions are not unaffected either.
As for why New York is particularly affected, I think besides the reasons that Putinbot1 gave, and a difference in customs between Asian countries and America, I would also say that some of this is just based on chance. We know there are super spreaders among the population, that rather than infect 1 or 2 people might infect 20 or more.
South Korea, for example, had just such a problem. One person infected a huge amount of people in her congregation, after breaking self-quarantine, and the number of infected spiked extremely fast.
I would also say that the response by the governments both of the US, and in the state, as well as by the population were different in Asian countries and New York, I believe
If we look at Taiwan, they very quickly closed the borders to China, and started widespread testing, first with thermometers, before they could get much tests. They also offered hand sanitizer virtually anywhere, and reported all cases quickly to the government to be able to perform contact tracing.
South Korea did similarly, and is now hailed as one of the best places to react to the outbreak.
Japan is a complicated case, the government does not communicate clearly, which has lead to many conspiracy theories. However it seems that while testing is relatively low they have tried to use contact tracing in a similar way. Additionally Japanese customs are much more suited to avoiding contact with people, and mask use was widespread before. It seems like experts have had a change of heart in mask uses all over the world, and have now concluded that there is efficacy to it.
Originally posted by Artol
I'm not sure where these numbers are from, perhaps they use a very different methodology, but the officially reported numbers are very different.
At the time I posted, worldmeters.info was reporting the stats I posted, for the day. It showed exactly these figures at that point in time, for the day, April 5th:
US Deaths: 677
NY Deaths: 594
It showed a very large number of deaths in NY compared to the rest of the country which just seemed odd.
As of right now, it still only shows 594 NY deaths but now the total figure, for all of the US shows 1,165. Likely, more people died in NY than just 594.
Edit - For example, Houston has a very "on point" public transport system using buses. Houston is also a port city. Houston did not have the explosive problems that NYC did. However, more people come on and off of the subway than people do with the buses in Houston.
Originally posted by Artol
As for why New York is particularly affected, I think besides the reasons that Putinbot1 gave, and a difference in customs between Asian countries and America, I would also say that some of this is just based on chance. We know there are super spreaders among the population, that rather than infect 1 or 2 people might infect 20 or more.South Korea, for example, had just such a problem. One person infected a huge amount of people in her congregation, after breaking self-quarantine, and the number of infected spiked extremely fast.
It's possible that due to certain NY State specific subculture stuff, that multiple people are super spreaders. But I've been to NY and NYC multiple times - there doesn't seem to be that "certain something" that would point to it. There's likely something else about NY compared to other places that explains the reasons. It's not as though we will figure out what is going on with NY if the experts don't have an explanation for it, as well.
Originally posted by Artol
[BJapan is a complicated case, the government does not communicate clearly, which has lead to many conspiracy theories. However it seems that while testing is relatively low they have tried to use contact tracing in a similar way. Additionally Japanese customs are much more suited to avoiding contact with people, and mask use was widespread before. It seems like experts have had a change of heart in mask uses all over the world, and have now concluded that there is efficacy to it. [/B]
Japan also appears to have reacted much more harshly than I originally thought. They kicked my nephew out of the country and sent him back.
Ah, I see, you were referencing the daily deaths, not the absolute numbers. I think one reason for that discrepancy is that New York seems to be further along in the infection, it is possible that other places might have a similar development, although with relatively strict shutdown requirements in many places that might have been counteracted.
As for super spreaders, I'm not sure it is very clearly understood what makes someone a super spreader in this case. It may be in part different personal behavior, it may also be due to the way the virus interacts with the host though, in which case a specific subculture would be less relevant.
Sorry to hear that about your nephew. Was he a permanent resident or a tourist?
I haven't read anything about that otherwise, I know that the government was actually criticized for taking steps very slowly in regards to Chinese tourism. A large part of the Japanese GDP is based on tourism, and Chinese tourists make up the bulk of that. Additionally the desire to hold the Olympics this year might have had an influence as well.
Here is a great site about projections:
https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
Running my numbers against theirs will be great.
They are projecting 2600+ deaths on April 16th and April 16th is supposed to be the apex.
They also predict that by May 1st, we will have 68,000 total deaths.
My predictions are:
1. We will hover are around 1,100 daily deaths for several days and slowly drop with an average margin of +-300.
2. By May 1st, we will have 20,000 to 25,000 deaths. That's because my model predicts daily death rates from .85 to 1.1 and theirs is much more aggressive. I also suggested we hit near population saturation before the lockdowns got crazy 2-3 weeks ago. If the lockdowns were effective, we would have seen significant drops in the last 6 days, now, but we haven't.
Let's see who's right. Obviously, all of us would hope in me being correct because that means we hit way more less dead. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, however.
Feel free to mess around with a free online tool (but mine is my own in Excel):