Ares (DCEU) vs. Hela (MCU)

Started by h1a812 pages

Originally posted by FrothByte
No dude, it seems apparent that you don't know what a loaded question is. Just because someone asks a question you don't want to answer doesn't mean it's a loaded question.

Now, are you going to answer the simple questions or are you going to continue being a troll?

This is my post.

Originally posted by h1a8
My intention was primarily showing Cap tackling someone to the ground. Silent didn't provide any scenes where that occurred. He provided a lot of irrelevant scenes (Cap fighting on the ground, Cap striking someone with a shield push hit, Cap getting someone on the ground that didn't consist of tackling them to the ground). That's what I meant when I argued the proper combination (not necessarily sequence). He had to first establish Cap tackling someone to the ground (as this stems from the original argument about Comedian).

In summary, Silent was arguing shit whose spirit does not stem from Comedian tackling Ozy.

Here are the questions.

Originally posted by Nibedicus

1. Were you or were you not shown that Cap can do advanced grappling techniques by SM? (Y/N)

2. Are the techniques shown by SM techniques a pure striker would use? (Y/N)

3. Did you and did you not still insist that a specific sequence of tackling is required before you would accept it AFTER SM has already shown you the techniques Cap used? (Y/N)

Let's analyze the questions with the post.

1. Is answered in the post. "Cap fighting on the ground" "Cap getting someone on the ground that didn't consist of tackling" These imply Cap using grappling techniques. "Advanced" is debatable and relative.
2. Is loaded as Cap was implied grappling as stated in the post. I never used the term "pure". So Nib basically created a strawman with the question and hence a loaded question. Cap is primarily a striker as with some MMA fighters. Now I originally stated that Cap would solely punch or kick in reply to Nib's original ground and pound argument. But after it was mentioned that Cap has grappled then I never argued that Cap would solely punch or kick anymore. My argument became Cap tackling (which is in line with the original Comedian argument).

3.
Is explained in the post. I used the term "combination" not "sequence" and hence its a loaded question (because if I say no to the question then Nib accuses me of lying). The point is that Cap never was shown tackling someone to the ground by Silent. This is vital as it stems from Nib argument of how Cap will beat Ozy via Comedian showing.

How does it look if someone stated Cap will beat Ozy by tackling him to the ground and another poster comes in defending that argument by NOT showing Cap tackling someone to the ground?
Silent was trolling very clearly.

Answer the questions

Man lookit that spin. It’s as if he doesn’t know ppl can read back a few pages. 😄

To anyone else reading. His re-quote of his post was when the spin/rewriting the narrative/moving of the goalposts was already happening. Of course, that’s where he’d start.

It’s like someone stealing, putting the money in his pocket, gets caught in camera and only lets you watch the time after he’s put the money in his pocket going “See! The money has been in my pocket the whole time!”

But read back a few replies since and you’ll see just how much of a liar h1 is.

Better yet, don’t waste your time in h1. He’s a liar and a troll. Just save this thread as future reference to prove just much of a liar h1 is.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Man lookit that spin. It’s as if he doesn’t know ppl can read back a few pages. 😄

To anyone else reading. His re-quote of his post was when the spin/rewriting the narrative/moving of the goalposts was already happening. Of course, that’s where he’d start.

It’s like someone stealing, putting the money in his pocket, gets caught in camera and only lets you watch the time after he’s put the money in his pocket going “See! The money has been in my pocket the whole time!”

But read back a few replies since and you’ll see just how much of a liar h1 is.

Better yet, don’t waste your time in h1. He’s a liar and a troll. Just save this thread as future reference to prove just much of a liar h1 is.

What was our original argument about?
Wasn't it about comedian TACKLING Ozy and then claiming that Cap can do it better while adding submission/ground and pound?

I stated thats it is OOC since Cap was never shown to fight like that (tackling someone to the ground) and was shown punching and kicking.

Thread gets closed.

In this thread, Silent attempts to prove it is in character by bringing up examples of Cap doing shit that doesn't have him tackling someone to the ground, as in the spirit of our original discussion. Me stating that Silent wasn't showing the proper "combination" is immaterial due to him missing the main point about our original discussion (tackling someone to the ground).

You then state that Cap tackles Batroc to the ground. I review the fight and conclude that you are correct and concede that it is in character for Cap to (basically you won).

Silent and you (apparently) gets salty about it and starts defending Silent faulty attempts to prove that it was in Caps character to tackle someone to the ground. Grappling techniques is not tackling someone to the ground. Striking someone with the shield, sending them flying into a chair is not tackling them to the ground. I was arguing the propensity with you, not the ability/skill for Cap to.

Am I missing anything relevant here?

Note: Silent knows he's wrong and has no defense and that is why he is ignoring anything I say right now (no matter how damning) and insisting that I answer the loaded questions.

Watch him ask me to answer the questions below this post. Watch and laugh.

Just answer the questions.

Reported H1 for taking this off topic into a closed topic by Imp

Originally posted by Silent Master
Just answer the questions.

Anyway back to topic: Ares has never shown the ability to hold someone stationary via TK. Since H1 has not shown any scenes where Ares does this then he can't do it. This is using h1's own logic about needing specific video evidence of Cap tackling someone followed by a ground and pound.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Anyway back to topic: Ares has never shown the ability to hold someone stationary via TK. Since H1 has not shown any scenes where Ares does this then he can't do it. This is using h1's own logic about needing specific video evidence of Cap tackling someone followed by a ground and pound.
No one is arguing that tactic.

Reported H1 for blatant trolling.

Hela wins. Spite thread.

Originally posted by h1a8
No one is arguing that tactic.
Originally posted by h1a8
She cant fly. He can hold her in the air indefinitely.
Originally posted by FrothByte

"Arguing" is present tense. I have been redacted that statement many posts ago. I clearly stated that Ares will not do the tactic. Keep up

Originally posted by Eon Blue
Reported H1 for blatant trolling.

Hela wins. Spite thread.


How would she win? Give me a possible scenario.

Blade spam 🙂

Originally posted by h1a8
How would she win? Give me a possible scenario.

A less powerful far inferior person killed him.

Hela cries out like a profane beast amidst a tumultuous sky. Lightning strikes down in violent spasms, like twisted spires in the air. She has purged all humanity from her personage resulting in true dominance. This is where The Goddess of Death began her descent into darkness.

Exiled to a frayed existence where dreams once tread. Obscure lacerations hide the traces of old naïveté and empty shells. City of night, unfurl morbidity unto these veins.

Great writing

Thank you!

Originally posted by Silent Master
Blade spam 🙂

Hurled back at her. Teleport out the way. Fly out of the way.

Originally posted by h1a8
Hurled back at her. Teleport out the way. Fly out of the way.

Please show video evidence of Ares hurling back multiple sharp projectiles thrown at him. Remember that as per you requirements, you need to show him doing EXACTLY what you're claiming for it to be valid.