Sentry Vs. the Omega Beams.

I just reread my own post. Damn, there is some weird sentence structuring going on. No idea what happened there. I'm just gonna blame it on auto-correct.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Thanks for that, what did you think of the version we saw in the Negative Zone I e. With Bob and the Sentry as two distinct characters who merged?

Eh. A bit of good, a bit of bad, I guess. It just added more unnecessary complexity, because it was the first time Bob and Sentry were separated for real. Even in the second volume, where it's (again) revealed that Bob is the Void and we see Bob fly into outer space - Sentry remains on Earth, but still knows that part of Bob is inside him too.

In the Annihilation event it's just Bob and a Sentry controlled by the Void. Which is good, because it kiiinda goes on push the idea that the Void itself is really more of an emotion. The entire book constantly calls him the Sentry with Void only being sprinkled in to point out the negativity / illness, that's driving Sentry in that story. All the individual books seem to carefully make that distinction. Even in the last issue, where Sentry talks with both voices (Bob and Void) the dialogue is very specific to each side. I like it, even though it's schizophrenic and complex.

I do think they did everything right leading up to that. They had Merged Sentry enter the Negative Zone and soak up the negative energy there. Which ended up buffing the negative emotion and allowed the Void to detach himself from Bob. But that ended up taking the entire power with him - and that power is the Sentry. So technically it's explained and correct, but still weird and complicated.

I guess at least they explored something new. Again? Sentry has been going through a lot of changes lately. Merged Sentry in V3. Confused Merged Sentry in Black Panther. Evil Sentry in Annihilation. Good Sentry in King in Black. What's next?

@Enzeru

what are your thoughts on sentry having both reality warping and molecule manipulation?

just curious

Originally posted by Enzeru
I just reread my own post. Damn, there is some weird sentence structuring going on. No idea what happened there. I'm just gonna blame it on auto-correct.

Eh. A bit of good, a bit of bad, I guess. It just added more unnecessary complexity, because it was the first time Bob and Sentry were separated for real. Even in the second volume, where it's (again) revealed that Bob is the Void and we see Bob fly into outer space - Sentry remains on Earth, but still knows that part of Bob is inside him too.

In the Annihilation event it's just Bob and a Sentry controlled by the Void. Which is good, because it kiiinda goes on push the idea that the Void itself is really more of an emotion. The entire book constantly calls him the Sentry with Void only being sprinkled in to point out the negativity / illness, that's driving Sentry in that story. All the individual books seem to carefully make that distinction. Even in the last issue, where Sentry talks with both voices (Bob and Void) the dialogue is very specific to each side. I like it, even though it's schizophrenic and complex.

I do think they did everything right leading up to that. They had Merged Sentry enter the Negative Zone and soak up the negative energy there. Which ended up buffing the negative emotion and allowed the Void to detach himself from Bob. But that ended up taking the entire power with him - and that power is the Sentry. So technically it's explained and correct, but still weird and complicated.

I guess at least they explored something new. Again? Sentry has been going through a lot of changes lately. Merged Sentry in V3. Confused Merged Sentry in Black Panther. Evil Sentry in Annihilation. Good Sentry in King in Black. What's next?

tbh i do subscribe to the theory that sentry and the void are puppets that are pretty much controlled by the puppet master who is the consciousness of bob, and that bob you saw in annihlation was that consciousness who was "kicked' out by the void tbh

sorry im not a fan of kmc as you can see

Had problem with quoting people?

Comicvine posters lulz

Originally posted by Stoic
The Sentry is a make believe character built from the mind of Robert Reynolds. Robert, or Bob for short. When Bob has a bad day, it could go a number of ways.

He could Void out, become weaker, or enormously powerful.

Full capacity is in effect right?

even the most powerful versions of Sentry that we've seen on panel have not been untouchable.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
the full capacity rule doesn't include your headcanon lol.

even the most powerful versions of Sentry that we've seen on panel have not been untouchable.

This. I mean, we had DS Sentry taken out by a worm - that sounds weird with Stoic's logic, because it means Bob thinks that a worm will defeat a guy who can tear his head apart. Merged Sentry was choked out by Okoye and her spear, and IW was able to hide an entire planet from him for day(s). That last feat, as it were, is the most egregious, because if Sentry can do anything Bob imagines, then he shouldn't have to search for anything - Bob should just imagine it, and it appears.

Originally posted by GodsAmongUs3

@Enzeru

what are your thoughts on sentry having both reality warping and molecule manipulation?

just curious

Eh, in a way it's like having both reality warping and super strength. In the end of the day reality warping overwrites pretty much everything else.

With molecule manipulation / energy manipulation (everything is energy) you can turn an apple into an orange. Or you can destroy the apple on a molecular level, but the energy will still be there. With reality warping you can make the apple disappear for good. You can make it so that the energy has never existed in the first place.

Sentry has done stuff, which in my opinion goes beyond mere molecule and energy manipulation. But I still go with molecule manipulation as the standard default for the Sentry, because reality warping is a whole another level of power.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

This. I mean, we had DS Sentry taken out by a worm - that sounds weird with Stoic's logic, because it means Bob thinks that a worm will defeat a guy who can tear his head apart. Merged Sentry was choked out by Okoye and her spear, and IW was able to hide an entire planet from him for day(s). That last feat, as it were, is the most egregious, because if Sentry can do anything Bob imagines, then he shouldn't have to search for anything - Bob should just imagine it, and it appears.

Your first two examples are PIS moments in comics, where writers wrote themselves into a corner and had to come up with something. You know that.

The Invisible Woman instance would go against everything the Sentry is as a character. Which is of course your point, I understand that. But it's important to emphasize that Sentrys reality warping happens on a subconscious level most of the time. Most of the time he limits himself to more of a flying brick type. And depending on his needs or state of mind, you have him heal and resurrect people, teleport around, erase minds etc.

Could Sentry dematerialize an entire planet, while under distress? Maybe? I wouldn't be surprised if he could. But is there evidence that suggests he could do it consciously to accomplish his task? I'm not seeing it, because at that point we're tapping into serious levels of conscious reality warping. What's next? Sentry consciously punching love in the face and forcing everyone to experience a broken heart for a moment?

Sentry fans remain the whiniest fans. Surprisingly even more than Thor fans lol.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Eh, in a way it's like having both reality warping and super strength. In the end of the day reality warping overwrites pretty much everything else.

With molecule manipulation / energy manipulation (everything is energy) you can turn an apple into an orange. Or you can destroy the apple on a molecular level, but the energy will still be there. With reality warping you can make the apple disappear for good. You can make it so that the energy has never existed in the first place.

Sentry has done stuff, which in my opinion goes beyond mere molecule and energy manipulation. But I still go with molecule manipulation as the standard default for the Sentry, because reality warping is a whole another level of power.

Your first two examples are PIS moments in comics, where writers wrote themselves into a corner and had to come up with something. You know that.

The Invisible Woman instance would go against everything the Sentry is as a character. Which is of course your point, I understand that. But it's important to emphasize that Sentrys reality warping happens on a subconscious level most of the time. Most of the time he limits himself to more of a flying brick type. And depending on his needs or state of mind, you have him heal and resurrect people, teleport around, erase minds etc.

Could Sentry dematerialize an entire planet, while under distress? Maybe? I wouldn't be surprised if he could. But is there evidence that suggests he could do it consciously to accomplish his task? I'm not seeing it, because at that point we're tapping into serious levels of conscious reality warping. What's next? Sentry consciously punching love in the face and forcing everyone to experience a broken heart for a moment?

PIS or not, my point was that we've NEVER seen a Sentry as espoused by Stoic. At least in my fanboy moments, when I say Flash is untouchable by others, I have the comics to show him ...well, being untouchable by others.

Bottom line is, Sentry - even at his most powerful - was capable of affecting his surroundings, and being affected by them. Stoic is selling this version of the Sentry that is completely unaffected by anything and anyone, yet Susan (as an example) can hide from him despite him trying to actively find her.

We can ignore Okoye, and use.....Fat Cobra. Same thing, same point - at one of his supposedly more powerful incarnations, other characters are perfectly capable of touching him in his secret no-no place.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sentry fans remain the whiniest fans. Surprisingly even more than Thor fans lol.

Originally posted by JBL
Sentry fans are the whiniest fans here???? Lol.

The irony of your reaction is delicious.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Eh, in a way it's like having both reality warping and super strength. In the end of the day reality warping overwrites pretty much everything else.

With molecule manipulation / energy manipulation (everything is energy) you can turn an apple into an orange. Or you can destroy the apple on a molecular level, but the energy will still be there. With reality warping you can make the apple disappear for good. You can make it so that the energy has never existed in the first place.

Sentry has done stuff, which in my opinion goes beyond mere molecule and energy manipulation. But I still go with molecule manipulation as the standard default for the Sentry, because reality warping is a whole another level of power.

Your first two examples are PIS moments in comics, where writers wrote themselves into a corner and had to come up with something. You know that.

The Invisible Woman instance would go against everything the Sentry is as a character. Which is of course your point, I understand that. But it's important to emphasize that Sentrys reality warping happens on a subconscious level most of the time. Most of the time he limits himself to more of a flying brick type. And depending on his needs or state of mind, you have him heal and resurrect people, teleport around, erase minds etc.

Could Sentry dematerialize an entire planet, while under distress? Maybe? I wouldn't be surprised if he could. But is there evidence that suggests he could do it consciously to accomplish his task? I'm not seeing it, because at that point we're tapping into serious levels of conscious reality warping. What's next? Sentry consciously punching love in the face and forcing everyone to experience a broken heart for a moment?

What bout in agents of wakanda where hes described as an incredibly powerful reality warper? would you say that its possible that perhaps he could potentially have both, but since the RW is more subconscious compared to the more coscious molecule manip, he has only molecule manip?

Originally posted by YAYIMAGOD2323

What bout in agents of wakanda where hes described as an incredibly powerful reality warper? would you say that its possible that perhaps he could potentially have both, but since the RW is more subconscious compared to the more coscious molecule manip, he has only molecule manip?

Sentry is what Marvel Comics tell you he is. He has been called a reality warper and had his powers referred to as reality warping way, way, way more often than molecule manipulation. Reality warping > Molecule Manipulation. Ignore the molecule manipulation stuff.

Just don't argue reality warping abilities and power levels for the Sentry, which you can't completely back up with scans. As I wrote before: A powerful enough reality warper can punch love in the face, but can the Sentry do that? Probably not.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Sentry is what Marvel Comics tell you he is. He has been called a reality warper and had his powers referred to as reality warping way, way, way more often than molecule manipulation. Reality warping > Molecule Manipulation. Ignore the molecule manipulation stuff.

Just don't argue reality warping abilities and power levels for the Sentry, which you can't completely back up with scans. As I wrote before: A powerful enough reality warper can punch love in the face, but can the Sentry do that? Probably not.

Oh ok, so its basically confirmed that Sentry has both Molecule and Reality Manipulation, but in terms of the reality manip, there is no feats of his beyond that small town scan in agents of wakanda to really determine the level of his reality warping??

Originally posted by YAYIMAGOD2323
Oh ok, so its basically confirmed that Sentry has both Molecule and Reality Manipulation, but in terms of the reality manip, there is no feats of his beyond that small town scan in agents of wakanda to really determine the level of his reality warping??

He created a pocket universe that still exists in his mind. This was seen just before he merged the Void with the Sentry. Kind of funny how that merge wore off faster than you can type the word shit. The Sentry is whatever Robert envisions him to be.

Originally posted by Stoic
He created a pocket universe that still exists in his mind. This was seen just before he merged the Void with the Sentry. Kind of funny how that merge wore off faster than you can type the word shit. The Sentry is whatever Robert envisions him to be.

yeh agreed, the only thing that powers and holds back bob is his mind, a lot of what he does is subconscious ngl

also back on topic, I do not believe Sentry could survive Darkseids Omega Beams since it can Existence Erase, but to add on, nothing beyond Existence Erasure could truly get the Sentry out for good, since hell keep coming back

Originally posted by Enzeru
Sentry is what Marvel Comics tell you he is. He has been called a reality warper and had his powers referred to as reality warping way, way, way more often than molecule manipulation. Reality warping > Molecule Manipulation. Ignore the molecule manipulation stuff.

Just don't argue reality warping abilities and power levels for the Sentry, which you can't completely back up with scans. As I wrote before: A powerful enough reality warper can punch love in the face, but can the Sentry do that? Probably not.

Isn't that true for any comics character? Batman can, in one issue, struggle with Two-Face's goons, then in the same week, be fighting Darkseid, Superman can struggle with Toyman, then start punching Worlogogs in the name of Truth and Justice whilst winking at the readers

Originally posted by Stoic
He created a pocket universe that still exists in his mind. This was seen just before he merged the Void with the Sentry. Kind of funny how that merge wore off faster than you can type the word shit. The Sentry is whatever Robert envisions him to be.

Which makes the hiding of an entire planet from Sentry all the funnier.

Here he is, actively searching, and yet someone can hide an entire planet for a whole day (iirc) from him without him being able to find it.

enzeru so stupid he makes rage look like elon musk