Sentry Vs. the Omega Beams.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Isn't that true for any comics character? Batman can, in one issue, struggle with Two-Face's goons, then in the same week, be fighting Darkseid, Superman can struggle with Toyman, then start punching Worlogogs in the name of Truth and Justice whilst winking at the readers

What has that to do with the points I'm making?

But okay, I'll try to play ball. With a character like Batman (and to a lesser extent even Superman) it's all about the suspension of disbelief. Do I buy Batman making Darkseid take a step back with a kick? No, but okay, if you really have to write that scene, go ahead.

But when we start talking about story breaker powers like reality warping, molecule manipulation, energy manipulation, even magic or super speed etc, then the suspension of disbelief rule doesn't apply anymore. Logic (the force of Batmans kick VS the durability of his opponents) is immediately thrown out of the window, when you can make a whole planet forget you ever existed, resurrect the dead, come back from total annihilation etc.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Which makes the hiding of an entire planet from Sentry all the funnier.

Here he is, actively searching, and yet someone can hide an entire planet for a whole day (iirc) from him without him being able to find it.

Which leads us to this.

You're asking why Sentry doesn't use his story breaker power to just win. Probably for the same reason Superman doesn't use his super speed to beat everyone, while they are frozen in time. Or why Flash doesn't simply speed steal everyone and throws them into the speed force. Or why John Constantine doesn't lock everyone behind doors not even God can't open. Or why Firestorm doesn't transmute everyone into their moms and their moms into them. Or why Martian Manhunter doesn't put everyone to sleep with his galaxy level telepathy.

And to your point specifically: That's not the type of a reality warper the Sentry is. He is a brawler with situational (emphasis on situational) powerful hax on top of the basic superbrick powers. And hax more in the sense of pure power and will to accomplish something otherworldly. He isn't Mad Jim Jaspers, who is all about changing reality on a whim. If he was, he could create 1.000.000 Sentry duplicates and monitor the entire planet 24/7.

Comic characters are ALL about the suspension of belief. Men can't fly or master every language and martial art. Every superhero is a deus ex machina.

Originally posted by Enzeru
What has that to do with the points I'm making?

But okay, I'll try to play ball. With a character like Batman (and to a lesser extent even Superman) it's all about the suspension of disbelief. Do I buy Batman making Darkseid take a step back with a kick? No, but okay, if you really have to write that scene, go ahead.

But when we start talking about story breaker powers like reality warping, molecule manipulation, energy manipulation, even magic or super speed etc, then the suspension of disbelief rule doesn't apply anymore. Logic (the force of Batmans kick VS the durability of his opponents) is immediately thrown out of the window, when you can make a whole planet forget you ever existed, resurrect the dead, come back from total annihilation etc.

Which leads us to this.

You're asking why Sentry doesn't use his story breaker power to just win. Probably for the same reason Superman doesn't use his super speed to beat everyone, while they are frozen in time. Or why Flash doesn't simply speed steal everyone and throws them into the speed force. Or why John Constantine doesn't lock everyone behind doors not even God can't open. Or why Firestorm doesn't transmute everyone into their moms and their moms into them. Or why Martian Manhunter doesn't put everyone to sleep with his galaxy level telepathy.

And to your point specifically: That's not the type of a reality warper the Sentry is. He is a brawler with situational (emphasis on situational) powerful hax on top of the basic superbrick powers. And hax more in the sense of pure power and will to accomplish something otherworldly. He isn't Mad Jim Jaspers, who is all about changing reality on a whim. If he was, he could create 1.000.000 Sentry duplicates and monitor the entire planet 24/7.

As Whirly said. My point was that all characters are whatever their company wants them to be - Bats, in a serious, canon comic, does things 'because he's Batman'. Literally that. You want to talk about logic and suspension of belief, well:

Literally his power - he does things, because he's Batman.

Same with Supes:

Obviously a lot more blatant/lazy with those two, but we have other examples, as you point out. Speedforce, superintelligence (hello Reed with prep!), magic, even street levellers have it (skill/chi/pressure points), the X-gene with mutants, I can go on and on.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!

Comic characters are ALL about the suspension of belief. Men can't fly or master every language and martial art. Every superhero is a deus ex machina.

OBVIOUSLY I'm talking about suspension of disbelief in relation to comic book standards. Why do I even have to point that out?

Suspension of disbelief is active when Batman performs above peak human feats and even when he hurts Wonder Woman with a kick. It's even active when Superman flies, because flying is a mainstay superhero power at this point.

Suspension of disbelief is a complete non-factor, when you talk about reality warping and molecule manipulation, which allow you to put a universe into a box and toss it into the fire or drag Norman Osborn into his own mind and turn people into angry water.

Originally posted by Enzeru
[b]OBVIOUSLY I'm talking about suspension of disbelief in relation to comic book standards. Why do I even have to point that out?

Suspension of disbelief is active when Batman performs above peak human feats and even when he hurts Wonder Woman with a kick. It's even active when Superman flies, because flying is a mainstay superhero power at this point.

Suspension of disbelief is a complete non-factor, when you talk about reality warping and molecule manipulation, which allow you to put a universe into a box and toss it into the fire or drag Norman Osborn into his own mind and turn people into angry water. [/B]

off topic but what is your contention of the sentry vs molecule man fight?

some people are downgrading it saying that he was depowered and that he could only manipulate molecules around him, other say he only affected a city.

also what do you think of the sentry vs photon fight?
were they destroying multiple planets in it or nah?

Originally posted by Enzeru
[b]OBVIOUSLY I'm talking about suspension of disbelief in relation to comic book standards. Why do I even have to point that out?

Suspension of disbelief is active when Batman performs above peak human feats and even when he hurts Wonder Woman with a kick. It's even active when Superman flies, because flying is a mainstay superhero power at this point.

Suspension of disbelief is a complete non-factor, when you talk about reality warping and molecule manipulation, which allow you to put a universe into a box and toss it into the fire or drag Norman Osborn into his own mind and turn people into angry water. [/B]

Sentry gets turned into a monkey.

I mean while one could make the argument that Sentry somehow came back from Morgana going back in time and killing him as a kid/before he got his powers, It is still a bit reaching so imo Sentry hasnt had to deal with actual Existence Erasure like the ones from the Omega Beams

Originally posted by Putinbot1
I would like to see the Omega sanction where Bob goes to living hell as drug addict, kills his wife, forgets who he is... hang on, it did work.

The Omega beams are almost as overrated, overwanked, and overhyped as Superman. Sentry beats the shitbout of Darkseid and Supes simultaneously

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
The Omega beams are almost as overrated, overwanked, and overhyped as Superman. Sentry beats the shitbout of Darkseid and Supes simultaneously

They won’t kill him. Nothing can. Affecting him is different. I see the error of my ways.

Knull killed him lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
Knull killed him lol

It sounds more like Cates ignoring continuity so he can bring Sentry back for a later story tbh.

and anyways, Knull has also killed Celestials and was above OF Thor so i dont see it as that bad imo

Originally posted by YAYIMAGOD2323
It sounds more like Cates ignoring continuity so he can bring Sentry back for a later story tbh.

and anyways, Knull has also killed Celestials and was above OF Thor so i dont see it as that bad imo

Interesting post style.

Originally posted by YAYIMAGOD2323
It sounds more like Cates ignoring continuity so he can bring Sentry back for a later story tbh.

and anyways, Knull has also killed Celestials and was above OF Thor so i dont see it as that bad imo

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Interesting post style.

Well, considering how many times he replied to Enzeru...

Originally posted by YAYIMAGOD2323
It sounds more like Cates ignoring continuity so he can bring Sentry back for a later story tbh.

and anyways, Knull has also killed Celestials and was above OF Thor so i dont see it as that bad imo

Knull was losing to Thor iirc

Nobody ever is losing to Thor.