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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But you're omitting the first part of Cosimo's explanation.

The energy she measures is the mystical radiation. So she is measuring the mystical radiation from Herc's most powerful punch.

The problem is that none of us know how much mystical radiation he radiates when he's having an all out punch.

But we know what that mystical radiation equivalence is. Whatever amount of mystical radiation is emitted from his best punch is the equivalent of the amount of energy emitted from that punch. It doesn't matter how much mystical radiation is emitted as long as we know it's general energy equivalence.

A good example is that the energy in one ounce of uranium is equivalent to the energy in 100 tons of coal.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
But we know what that mystical radiation equivalence is. Whatever amount of mystical radiation is emitted from his best punch is the equivalent of the amount of energy emitted from that punch. It doesn't matter how much mystical radiation is emitted as long as we know it's general energy equivalence.

A good example is that the energy in one ounce of uranium is equivalent to the energy in 100 tons of coal.

But you have to understand no matter how much coal you burn you wont see radiation anywhere close to using the energy in that uraniim.

So for a human, the heat they make from exerting a punch doesnt come close to equaling the kinetic energy at the end of a punch.

Change the energy from hercs to gamma. The hulk is 100 gamma units, superman is zero, that doesnt tell us who punches harder.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
But we know what that mystical radiation equivalence is. Whatever amount of mystical radiation is emitted from his best punch is the equivalent of the amount of energy emitted from that punch. It doesn't matter how much mystical radiation is emitted as long as we know it's general energy equivalence.

A good example is that the energy in one ounce of uranium is equivalent to the energy in 100 tons of coal.

No, we don't. The amount of mystical energy radiated is equivalent to the amount of mystical energy emitted when he throws his best punch. It's circular, and that's the beauty and simplicity of the Herc- it actually makes a ton of sense.

Because all that she is measuring, is the mystical energy. Replace 'mystical' with 'heat' and you will see what I am talking about.

All humans emit heat energy. I develop a unit to describe this, called Darksaints. The maximum amount of energy.....Mike Tyson....emits when he throws an all out punch, is 1 DarkSaint.

With me so far?

Now, what type of energy is this maximum amount of energy I am measuring? It is the heat, and only the heat component. Not the kinetic part at the end of Tyson's fist, or the sound of his hand hitting my face, or whatever.

Hercules is radiating mystical energy. When he punches, he emits X amount of mystical energy, which bears no relation to the kinetic energy, just like the heat emitted by Tyson bears no relation to actually being on the receiving end of his punch (or if it does, it's tiny).

Dr. Cosimo does not say that a Herc is equivalent to the maximum amount of "MYSTICAL ENERGY" expended in one blow. She says the maximum amount of "ENERGY". You can't add words not stated. Saying that one unit of mystical energy is the equivalent of one unit of mystical energy makes no sense. A statement of equivalence by it's very nature is a comparison of two different things.

Heat and radiation are biproducts of energy expenditure and don't equate to said expenditure. Energy is measured in joules and while we don't know the specific nature of the fictional herc, the wording makes it clear that one herc is the equivalent of however many joules are derived from Hercules' best punch.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Dr. Cosimo does not say that a Herc is equivalent to the maximum amount of "MYSTICAL ENERGY" expended in one blow. She says the maximum amount of "ENERGY". You can't add words not stated. Saying that one unit of mystical energy is the equivalent of one unit of mystical energy makes no sense. A statement of equivalence by it's very nature is a comparison of two different things.

Heat and radiation are biproducts of energy expenditure and don't equate to said expenditure. Energy is measured in joules and while we don't know the specific nature of the fictional herc, the wording makes it clear that one herc is the equivalent of however many joules are derived from Hercules' best punch.

At this point and time, the rule basically states Hercules generates mystical power in a punch. Glad we found this out. With Hercules generating mystical forces from his body every time he swing his arms, I feel bad for beings who are vulnerable to mystical attacks. Punching Herc should hurt.

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Originally posted by TheHulkster
Dr. Cosimo does not say that a Herc is equivalent to the maximum amount of "MYSTICAL ENERGY" expended in one blow. She says the maximum amount of "ENERGY". You can't add words not stated. Saying that one unit of mystical energy is the equivalent of one unit of mystical energy makes no sense. A statement of equivalence by it's very nature is a comparison of two different things.

Heat and radiation are biproducts of energy expenditure and don't equate to said expenditure. Energy is measured in joules and while we don't know the specific nature of the fictional herc, the wording makes it clear that one herc is the equivalent of however many joules are derived from Hercules' best punch.

And what "ENERGY" is she talking about?

The mystical energy mythological beings radiate.

If I am studying heat energy, why would I suddenly include kinetic and sound etc energy when I measure Tyson's best punch?

Originally posted by -Pr-
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He's an idiot.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And what "ENERGY" is she talking about?

The mystical energy mythological beings radiate.

If I am studying heat energy, why would I suddenly include kinetic and sound etc energy when I measure Tyson's best punch?

She is talking about the "maximum amount of energy Hercules could EXPEND in one blow", which is a quote from the book as well as the ruling.

EXPEND: to make use of for a specific purpose : utilize

RADIATE: emit (energy, especially light or heat) in the form of rays or waves.

"Expend" and "radiate" are two different things.

Outside of comics themselves, has anyone ever touched upon the subject of Herc units?

Interview with Pak? Some handbook?

Letter column, maybe? Or intro/recap page on the beginning of comics? Anything?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
She is talking about the "maximum amount of energy Hercules could EXPEND in one blow", which is a quote from the book as well as the ruling.

EXPEND: to make use of for a specific purpose : utilize

RADIATE: emit (energy, especially light or heat) in the form of rays or waves.

"Expend" and "radiate" are two different things.

But again, you omitted the first part (before she got interrupted by the general).

She's creating the Herc unit when measuring a specific type of energy that's being radiated. When Herc does an all out punch, he expends a certain amount of energy, which is radiated (as he is a mythological being) and is then captured and measured.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Outside of comics themselves, has anyone ever touched upon the subject of Herc units?

Interview with Pak? Some handbook?

Letter column, maybe? Anything?

Carver asked him on Twitter, and was fully confident he was going to get a reply on this.

Put it this way:. Carver never brought it up again. Draw your own conclusions.

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Honestly, Brevoort might be getting tons of hate, but I liked his formspring page.

Think he's active on tumblr now:

https://brevoortformspring.tumblr.com/ask

That's where I'd ask 😗 Pak considers himself to be Carver the First (a.k.a. True Carver) --- carver the second and carver the ninth are obviously beneath his notice, he will never answer their prayers.

Originally posted by -Pr-
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Lol well.....what do you mods think of Hulksters viewpoint (although why he waited until now to make them is mystifying)

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But again, you omitted the first part (before she got interrupted by the general).

She's creating the Herc unit when measuring a specific type of energy that's being radiated. When Herc does an all out punch, he expends a certain amount of energy, which is radiated (as he is a mythological being) and is then captured and measured.

I'm aware of that part. Which takes me back to my earlier point. That fictional unit of radiating mystical energy is specifically declared as equivalent to the maximum amount of energy Hercules expends in one blow. We know that the heat radiating from Mike Tyson's punch is not equivalent to the energy he expends when throwing a punch. But this is a fictional, mystical energy that need not work like your heat example and based on the declaration of equivalence, apparently doesn't.

Why doesn't it?

I am measuring the heat radiated off all warm blooded beings.

I ask Tyson to throw his hardest punch. And measure the max heat expended.

What does that have to do with his strength? I chose Tyson because he's famous for his punches etc etc.

But even though I've used the same syntax and words as Cosimo, heat =/= strength level.

Hercules was always an ant compared to the Hulk, but we don't need some bullshit herc units to know that.

And Hulk's low readings make sense in general, as he has very few mystic abilities --- subtle abilities --- and he's more of a product of science than magic.

Hell, Lady Deathstrike could be more "magical" than Hulk, for all we know.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why doesn't it?

I am measuring the heat radiated off all warm blooded beings.

I ask Tyson to throw his hardest punch. And measure the max heat expended.

What does that have to do with his strength? I chose Tyson because he's famous for his punches etc etc.

But even though I've used the same syntax and words as Cosimo, heat =/= strength level.

To your question of "why doesn't it" I will quote what I said in my last post.

"That fictional unit of radiating mystical energy is specifically declared as equivalent to the maximum amount of energy Hercules expends in one blow."

Magic is not bound by the laws of physics.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
To your question of "why doesn't it" I will quote what I said in my last post.

"That fictional unit of radiating mystical energy is specifically declared as equivalent to the maximum amount of energy Hercules expends in one blow."

Magic is not bound by the laws of physics.

So trying to relate it to a physical measure such as strength is incorrect.

Thanks, that was my point all this while.