Luke Cage vs Thing - READ STIPS!

Quick update.

I read through the responses and have my 'verdict'(or whatever you want to call it.) Still waiting to see if Pr also wants to weigh-in before I post.

For anyone interested, the ruling has been posted in this thread here:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14257489#post14257489

Reopening.

Questions/comments are welcome.

Question: how would it relate if I say, used Pym Particles to shrink 100 Hercules, combined them into one being, then put him inside Hulk's lungs?

Carver doesn't understand the ruling.

Please ask away

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Question: how would it relate if I say, used Pym Particles to shrink 100 Hercules, combined them into one being, then put him inside Hulk's lungs?

Thr ruling for the measurement was final. It isn't 100 tiny Hercules punches. We know what a Herc is, and it isn't a power punch from miniscule Hercules.

Originally posted by Stoic
Thr ruling for the measurement was final. It isn't 100 tiny Hercules punches. We know what a Herc is, and it isn't a power punch from miniscule Hercules.

My point being with Pym Particles, the strength level is the same 🙂

Let's use 100 of whatever brick you wish who is close to Hercules in strength, but isn't mystical

Originally posted by carver9
Didnt understand that ruling not one bit but, ok.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Can someone explain to Carv what the ruling means

I thought it was pretty clear, no?

In short: "Hercs" are not a means of accurately quantifying physical strength. It is moreso a way of gauging mystical energy output.

Thought so.

It's not a measurement of strength, but it should be a measure of punching power relative to Hercules. That energy output is based on Hercules' most powerful punch right? Thus, wouldn't 133 hercs represent the energy output of 133 of Hercules' punches? I mean, it's an ambiguous measurement due to it not being real world, but we have a reasonable relative idea of how hard Hercules can punch compared to other characters.

Nobody asked/interviewed Pak about that?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
It's not a measurement of strength, but it should be a measure of punching power relative to Hercules. That energy output is based on Hercules' most powerful punch right? Thus, wouldn't 133 hercs represent the energy output of 133 of Hercules' punches? I mean, it's an ambiguous measurement due to it not being real world, but we have a reasonable relative idea of how hard Hercules can punch compared to other characters.

A magical being who registers at 5 hercs while punching someone could potentially be as strong as herc x 5 as silly ad that may sound.

I don't believe even Pak himself knew what he wanted Herc units to be.

I think he knew based on how it was initially described, and then went wild with it. He applied in so many nonsensical ways that it got too confusing. Eventually it evolved into an uncontrollable nonsensical monster. But going by the bones of it, the intention was clear.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
It's not a measurement of strength, but it should be a measure of punching power relative to Hercules. That energy output is based on Hercules' most powerful punch right? Thus, wouldn't 133 hercs represent the energy output of 133 of Hercules' punches? I mean, it's an ambiguous measurement due to it not being real world, but we have a reasonable relative idea of how hard Hercules can punch compared to other characters.

But it's only the maximum mystical energy given off by his punch.

And you have zero idea how much magic he radiates when he punches.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But it's only the maximum mystical energy given off by his punch.

And you have zero idea how much magic he radiates when he punches.

But we have a specific statement of equivalence. If it says that Hercules' most powerful punch produces one herc, or one herc represents his most powerful punch, then we would have ambiguity. But saying that it is equivalent of the maximum amount of energy produced by one of his punches is relative measurement.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
But we have a specific statement of equivalence. If it says that Hercules' most powerful punch produces one herc, or one herc represents his most powerful punch, then we would have ambiguity. But saying that it is equivalent of the maximum amount of energy produced by one of his punches is relative measurement.

But you're omitting the first part of Cosimo's explanation.

The energy she measures is the mystical radiation. So she is measuring the mystical radiation from Herc's most powerful punch.

The problem is that none of us know how much mystical radiation he radiates when he's having an all out punch.