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General's reaction is what makes the whole thing iffy.

And Banner, instead of trying to explain the concept of herc units to him again, tells him that Hercules is not as strong as the Hulk.

So I can understand why guys like yourself, carv, ODG, Rage or Celey are still thinking of it as of some general "power level" measurement.

DS provided more than enough proof for mods to get a ruling on it, though.

Pr most likely didn't give it a single glance, but Bada always cared about the Hulk and Galan tries his best to be objective.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
General's reaction is what makes the whole thing iffy.

And Banner, instead of trying to explain the concept of herc units to him again, tells him that Hercules is not as strong as the Hulk.

So I can understand why guys like yourself, carv, ODG, Rage or Celey are still thinking of it as of some general "power level" measurement.

DS provided more than enough proof for mods to get a ruling on it, though.

Pr most likely didn't give it a single glance, but Bada always cared about the Hulk and Galan tries his best to be objective.

How ****ing dare you. I read HOTM. TWICE. I suffered for this shit.

😆 😆 😆

Okay, okay.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So trying to relate it to a physical measure such as strength is incorrect.

Thanks, that was my point all this while.

The book specifically relates it to a physical measure. Apparently you will ignore that point no matter how often it is mentioned.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
General's reaction is what makes the whole thing iffy.

And Banner, instead of trying to explain the concept of herc units to him again, tells him that Hercules is not as strong as the Hulk.

So I can understand why guys like yourself, carv, ODG, Rage or Celey are still thinking of it as of some general "power level" measurement.

DS provided more than enough proof for mods to get a ruling on it, though.

Pr most likely didn't give it a single glance, but Bada always cared about the Hulk and Galan tries his best to be objective.

The General's reaction and Banner's response is very significant.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
The book specifically relates it to a physical measure. Apparently you will ignore that point no matter how often it is mentioned.

But.....you just said.....magic....ignores physics.....

And again, if we relate it to physics:

1. Humans radiate heat.
2. I am measuring the energy humans radiate.
3. The maximum amount of energy Tyson expends when he throws his max punch is 1 Tyson.

Points 2 and 3 are all related ( I was interrupted midway through my talk).

The heat expended by Tyson has nothing to do with his strength level.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But.....you just said.....magic....ignores physics.....

And again, if we relate it to physics:

1. Humans radiate heat.
2. I am measuring the energy humans radiate.
3. The maximum amount of energy Tyson expends when he throws his max punch is 1 Tyson.

Points 2 and 3 are all related ( I was interrupted midway through my talk).

The heat expended by Tyson has nothing to do with his strength level.

But magic does not ignore what the storyteller specifies. In this story, the storyteller specifies..

https://imgur.com/a/37KQXw1

Heat and hercs are two extremely different things. Heat has nothing to do with Tyson's "strength". Hercs on the other hand...

https://imgur.com/a/37KQXw1

But again you are only using half of Cosimo's explanation.

What energy is the maximum of that Hercules expends?

Mystical energy that's radiated by mythological beings.

In any case, the ruling has been made. It has nothing to do with physical ability

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But again you are only using half of Cosimo's explanation.

What energy is the maximum of that Hercules expends?

Mystical energy that's radiated by mythological beings.

In any case, the ruling has been made. It has nothing to do with physical ability

I posted the difference between expending and radiating. Nowhere is it stated that he expends mystical energy in a punch. Just radiates it and that radiated mystical energy measurement is equivalent to physical expenditure of the punch.

Nowhere does it say physical expenditure.

Anyway, the ruling has been made 🙂

Originally posted by Badabing
Glad me, you and Galan took the time to consider the ruling on "Hercs" and make a ruling that you actually posed. 👆

KMC makes me wish I still drank.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nowhere does it say physical expenditure.

Anyway, the ruling has been made 🙂

As I stated earlier, stating equivalence between two things by nature means that the two are different.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But again you are only using half of Cosimo's explanation.

What energy is the maximum of that Hercules expends?

Mystical energy that's radiated by mythological beings.

In any case, the ruling has been made. It has nothing to do with physical ability

Why is post crisis Lex Luthor wearing a military uniform?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
As I stated earlier, stating equivalence between two things by nature means that the two are different.

Well the ruling has been made 🙂

Originally posted by cdtm
Why is post crisis Lex Luthor wearing a military uniform?

You even see redhead Lex in the background.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well the ruling has been made 🙂

It would have been a hell of a lot easier to make if the comic wasn't so damn inconsistent.

Originally posted by -Pr-
KMC makes me wish I still drank.

Maybe if you drank enough, you'd be in the same head space as the people who neglected to make their case when this thread first opened, but now, conveniently, are trying to argue post mod ruling.

Side note: not participating in this thread when it first opened tells me club gamma was either 1.) hyper confident their perception of a herc was so infallible they didnt need to contend with the other side of the aisle's evidence. 2.) couldn't come up with an arguement until after they tested out a few theories on comicvine, then brought the responses back here, or 3.) just didnt see it or were too lazy.

I ranked 1-3 on likelihood of being true. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by -Pr-
It would have been a hell of a lot easier to make if the comic wasn't so damn inconsistent.

It's probably because I am so pigheaded, but to me it wasn't inconsistent - but then, I am obviously extremely biased, because I think I am right.

Pak made it circular - a Herc measures mystical energy radiation, and the maximum energy expended when Hercules threw his best punch is 1 Herc. If your device only picks up mystical energy (because that is what you're studying), then the maximum energy you are measuring that has been expended by Herc would only be the mystical part of the punch.

Then it's applied to all the creatures splashed by the Wishing Well, as it's pretty mythological (it was the Fountain of Youth iirc). Cosimo is then able to track and measure how powerful these guys were, by tracking the mystical radiation coming off their skin. Those kids then can use her equipment, and track Baba Yaga's house down from the mystical radiation it emits.

And Pandora's Box? Incredibly mystical. It doesn't mean that it's incredibly strong, however, or that it going off in your lungs = 133.45 times Hercules' best punch. It means it was 133.45 times as magical as the MYSTICAL energy expended by Hercules' best punch.

Does that mean that, say, an Imperiex Probe wouldn't hurt Hulk's internals? No - not based on this showing. There are other Hulk durability showings to make one's case, but this is not it for non-mystical attacks.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's probably because I am so pigheaded, but to me it wasn't inconsistent - but then, I am obviously extremely biased, because I think I am right.

Pak made it circular - a Herc measures mystical energy radiation, and the maximum energy expended when Hercules threw his best punch is 1 Herc. If your device only picks up mystical energy (because that is what you're studying), then the maximum energy you are measuring that has been expended by Herc would only be the mystical part of the punch.

Then it's applied to all the creatures splashed by the Wishing Well, as it's pretty mythological (it was the Fountain of Youth iirc). Cosimo is then able to track and measure how powerful these guys were, by tracking the mystical radiation coming off their skin. Those kids then can use her equipment, and track Baba Yaga's house down from the mystical radiation it emits.

And Pandora's Box? Incredibly mystical. It doesn't mean that it's incredibly strong, however, or that it going off in your lungs = 133.45 times Hercules' best punch. It means it was 133.45 times as magical as the MYSTICAL energy expended by Hercules' best punch.

Does that mean that, say, an Imperiex Probe wouldn't hurt Hulk's internals? No - not based on this showing. There are other Hulk durability showings to make one's case, but this is not it for non-mystical attacks.

Very succinct, friend 🤘

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's probably because I am so pigheaded, but to me it wasn't inconsistent - but then, I am obviously extremely biased, because I think I am right.

Pak made it circular - a Herc measures mystical energy radiation, and the maximum energy expended when Hercules threw his best punch is 1 Herc. If your device only picks up mystical energy (because that is what you're studying), then the maximum energy you are measuring that has been expended by Herc would only be the mystical part of the punch.

Then it's applied to all the creatures splashed by the Wishing Well, as it's pretty mythological (it was the Fountain of Youth iirc). Cosimo is then able to track and measure how powerful these guys were, by tracking the mystical radiation coming off their skin. Those kids then can use her equipment, and track Baba Yaga's house down from the mystical radiation it emits.

And Pandora's Box? Incredibly mystical. It doesn't mean that it's incredibly strong, however, or that it going off in your lungs = 133.45 times Hercules' best punch. It means it was 133.45 times as magical as the MYSTICAL energy expended by Hercules' best punch.

Does that mean that, say, an Imperiex Probe wouldn't hurt Hulk's internals? No - not based on this showing. There are other Hulk durability showings to make one's case, but this is not it for non-mystical attacks.

Honestly, I feel like you're giving Pak too much credit by trying to reconcile it all.

At the start of the arc, Pak looks like he wants to make it a measurement of energy expended on combat, only to completely go back on that in subsequent issues for no good reason.