Originally posted by FrothByte
The way both Hulk and Thor were treated in Endgame (as well as the wild inconsistency in power levels) ruined that movie for me.
Well they couldn't keep Thor and Hulk at full power and still have Scarlet Witch and Captain Marvel basically girl power their way to victory and each hand Thanos more of an individual ass whooping than the rest of the Avengers combined now could they?
Originally posted by KingD19
Well they couldn't keep Thor and Hulk at full power and still have Scarlet Witch and Captain Marvel basically girl power their way to victory and each hand Thanos more of an individual ass whooping than the rest of the Avengers combined now could they?
Unfortunate, but true. MCU had a great run, but it sounds like all of the future movies are going to be morphing into gender studies lectures.
Originally posted by Khazra Rebornbut isn't it like the comics, in Avengers Thor is usually less impressive, the same goes for Supes usually in JLA. The others have to be made relevant when you have people that much above others in their own books.
After IW, Endgame Thor was so disappointing. It legit, pretty much killed the movie for me.
Yeah. They nerfed Hulk from the first Avengers movie, and Thor was schooled plenty of times. In the comics they would still be Hulk and Thor, even if they were slightly toned down so the other Avengers could matter.
In the MCU, Hulk and Thor were made into jokes and got replaced by Witch and Marvel as easily the 2 most powerful heroes in the entire universe, period.
Rant incoming because I don't feel like going to Endgame's page and this is a thread people are looking at:
Endgame's final treatment of Thor and Hulk was a travesty, but it makes sense that Thor hit rock bottom in his arc after failing to kill Thanos:
- Thor in his MCU history was always "well, the chips are down, but I'll comeback and find a way to win" type of character.
- He does this just in the nick of time in IW it seems, but fails to stop Thanos from murdering half the universe by not going for the head.
- This turns him into a drunk slob for Endgame.
Okay, that's great...to start with. A YouTuber whose and channel I forget right now made a great point: Hulk should've fought Thanos in Endgame and Thor should've done the re-snap with the Stark Gauntlet. Thor failed to stop Thanos, he snaps everyone back; Hulk has been getting his rear kicked since Ragnarok, especially by Thanos, so let him be the "final boss" of sorts for Thanos before Tony dies destroying Thanos and his forces.
Instead, Thor's character arc goes nowhere except getting Mjolnir back after he cries to his mother.
Hulk snaps everyone back, but again he didn't have anything to prove there, as he wasn't the one that didn't stop Thanos in the first place.
Us, the audience, and neither Hulk nor Thor get the big cathartic moments of seeing these two original Avengers finish out their MCU careers with defining moments.
Sorry, rant over. I refuse to believe the Russos on the fact that Fat Thor in Endgame is prime Thor, as he wasn't a fraction of his Ragnarok or, especially, Infinity War self. Wonder Woman takes this one.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
but isn't it like the comics, in Avengers Thor is usually less impressive, the same goes for Supes usually in JLA. The others have to be made relevant when you have people that much above others in their own books.
They're toned down, yes, but they're not made to look like complete buffoons. Thor and Hulk are heavily toned down during the Avengers movies, and it's especially apparent with Thor as you can see how much more powerful he usually is during his solo movies.
But that's different from what was done to them in Endgame. They weren't just toned down, they were made to be completely inept.
Putting this here cause H1 was trying to shit up the other thread...
Originally posted by h1a8
Only an idiot would think WW can't compete with Thor. She has stellar defenses, speed, and one shot weapons.
Alright lets see...What enemies has WW actually fought.
- Ludendorff : After Ludendorff inhales the gas he becomes like Cap tier and gives WW a decent fight for a while. WW wins this fight but she shouldn't have struggled this much if she as powerful of a fighter you seem to think she is.
- Steppenwolf : Stepp defeated WW and WW was helpless against Stepp to the point to having to revive Superman because non the JL could do anything. WW also couldn't cut Stepp with her sword or speed blitzed him or whatever else people claim WW does in every fight. WW was HELPLESS against Stepp. But she should be a threat to tougher opponents than Stepp right?
- Ares - WW defeated Ares because she was his Kryptonite. Ares was defeated by a plot device. WW was the plot device.
- Doomsday - WW was on the defensive the whole fight vs. DD (and it was a 3 on 1). Every blow was blocked by WW's shield. She wasn't directly hit. Last blow was blocked by her sword or bracers (forget). Only feat from that fight was WW cutting DD hand off. Which was most likely PIS and a low feat for DD rather a high feat for WW.
The other enemies she has fought have been regular humans, that the fights and feats dont really matter for this fight.
These are some of the enemies that Thor has fought.
- The Destroyer - Thor won.
- Frost Giants who are comparable and can be argued to be above regular Asgardians in stats. Thor beats them with no problem. And many at the same time.
- Hulk - Every time Thor has fought Hulk it has been a stalemate or Thor has got the upper hand until something stops the fight.
- Thanos - When Thor gets Stormbreaker , he nearly defeats Thanos with the full IG.
There isnt really a contest here. Yes this is fat Thor but he is still Thor and he also has both Stormbreaker and Mjolnir. Both those weapons are >>>>>>> anything that WW has on her by a lot.
The opponents she has fought are also weaker than what Thor has faced. And even then she has had a hard time getting a win, if not just losing outright.
Thor is stronger, more durable, has better fire power and weapons, than WW and better than some of the enemies she has outright lost to, like Stepp.
Everything I have said in this post can be backed up by screen feats. Dont reply to me with retarded nonsense that is all your head-canon and assumptions without screen feats to back up your opinions.
I dont want to go back and forth for 50 pages straight when you are are just trolling and repeating dumb shit without proof.