Fat Thor vs. Wonder Woman

Started by FrothByte4 pages

Originally posted by Inhuman
Putting this here cause H1 was trying to shit up the other thread...

Alright lets see...What enemies has WW actually fought.

- Ludendorff : After Ludendorff inhales the gas he becomes like Cap tier and gives WW a decent fight for a while. WW wins this fight but she shouldn't have struggled this much if she as powerful of a fighter you seem to think she is.

- Steppenwolf : Stepp defeated WW and WW was helpless against Stepp to the point to having to revive Superman because non the JL could do anything. WW also couldn't cut Stepp with her sword or speed blitzed him or whatever else people claim WW does in every fight. WW was HELPLESS against Stepp. But she should be a threat to tougher opponents than Stepp right?

- Ares - WW defeated Ares because she was his Kryptonite. Ares was defeated by a plot device. WW was the plot device.

- Doomsday - WW was on the defensive the whole fight vs. DD (and it was a 3 on 1). Every blow was blocked by WW's shield. She wasn't directly hit. Last blow was blocked by her sword or bracers (forget). Only feat from that fight was WW cutting DD hand off. Which was most likely PIS and a low feat for DD rather a high feat for WW.

The other enemies she has fought have been regular humans, that the fights and feats dont really matter for this fight.

These are some of the enemies that Thor has fought.

- The Destroyer - Thor won.

- Frost Giants who are comparable and can be argued to be above regular Asgardians in stats. Thor beats them with no problem. And many at the same time.

- Hulk - Every time Thor has fought Hulk it has been a stalemate or Thor has got the upper hand until something stops the fight.

- Thanos - When Thor gets Stormbreaker , he nearly defeats Thanos with the full IG.

There isnt really a contest here. Yes this is fat Thor but he is still Thor and he also has both Stormbreaker and Mjolnir. Both those weapons are >>>>>>> anything that WW has on her by a lot.
The opponents she has fought are also weaker than what Thor has faced. And even then she has had a hard time getting a win, if not just losing outright.
Thor is stronger, more durable, has better fire power and weapons, than WW and better than some of the enemies she has outright lost to, like Stepp.

Everything I have said in this post can be backed up by screen feats. Dont reply to me with retarded nonsense that is all your head-canon and assumptions without screen feats to back up your opinions.
I dont have time to go back and forth for 50 pages straight when you are are just trolling and repeating dumb shit without proof.

Just want to add a few things:

1. WW was actually armed at the start of her fight against Luddendorf while Luddendorf was unarmed. She still struggled.

2. WW couldn't defeat Steppenwolf even with the help of Aquaman.

3. If we're talking about one-shot abilities, Thor actually has better one-shot feats than WW which includes one-shotting a Kroenan, a couple of leviathans, a giant frost-ice monster, as well as multiple frost giants and Surtur's goons. WW has only ever one-shot humans and parademons.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
The argument is that fat thor fights well below his usual weight class being severely out of shape and with a poor mindset. Some would argue thor from the first thor movie would destroy fat thor easily

I know that. But a 70% Thor with both Stormbreaker and Mjolnir is still above WW. Specially how she has performed against enemies that are not just regular humans.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Just want to add a few things:

1. WW was actually armed at the start of her fight against Luddendorf while Luddendorf was unarmed. She still struggled.

2. WW couldn't defeat Steppenwolf even with the help of Aquaman.

3. If we're talking about one-shot abilities, Thor actually has better one-shot feats than WW which includes one-shotting a Kroenan, a couple of leviathans, a giant frost-ice monster, as well as multiple frost giants and Surtur's goons. WW has only ever one-shot humans and parademons.

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I think the fact that aquaman and WW not being able to take out steppenwolf says more about step than WW. Aquaman could propel a submarine out of the ocean and casually took a few blasts that blew up islands

Originally posted by KingD19
Yeah. They nerfed Hulk from the first Avengers movie, and Thor was schooled plenty of times. In the comics they would still be Hulk and Thor, even if they were slightly toned down so the other Avengers could matter.

In the MCU, Hulk and Thor were made into jokes and got replaced by Witch and Marvel as easily the 2 most powerful heroes in the entire universe, period.

Read Graviton or Nefaria's first appearance. Wanda and vision do far better than Thor. Tbh Iron man and Wonderman do pretty well too. Wanda is often written as the glass cannon who can stop people others can't and has been for 40+ years. It's comics or films.

Shaggy Man should never beat on Supes as he does etc.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
I think the fact that aquaman and WW not being able to take out steppenwolf says more about step than WW. Aquaman could propel a submarine out of the ocean and casually took a few blasts that blew up islands

When did Aquaman ever casually take on blasts powerful enough to blow up islands?

When black manta first got the canon, they demonstrated it by blowing up a small island. Manta then shot aquaman with it a few times in their fight

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
When black manta first got the canon, they demonstrated it by blowing up a small island. Manta then shot aquaman with it a few times in their fight

Are you able to provide a clip? I don't recall Manta ever blasting Aquaman with an actual canon which he was able to just easily shrug off.

The eye laser things?

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
The eye laser things?

The ones he modified? Yeah. Aquaman couldn't tank those. Those shots clearly hurt him. He certainly wasn't just shrugging them off. It also didn't blow up an island and it wasn't a canon.

😂 @ blowing up an island.

It was the top of a rock formation sticking out of the water in the near distance.

YouTube video

Originally posted by Inhuman
😂 @ blowing up an island.

It was the top of a rock formation sticking out of the water in the near distance.

YouTube video

Not to mention at the end of your clip, those eyes lasers only melted a small hole in the ceiling.

Also Aquaman is messed up every time he gets hit by that laser. Like visualy messed up. Burn marks, bleeding, on the ground for a while in pain, etc.
Aquaman also gets cut up by Black Mantas sword pretty bad.

Black Mantas laser doesnt seem as strong as Thor's lightning's high end feats.

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Aquaman loses to Cap (Thor jr.). Like in a stomp fashion like he did to Stepp.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Also Aquaman is messed up every time he gets hit by that laser. Like visualy messed up. Burn marks, bleeding, on the ground for a while in pain, etc.
Aquaman also gets cut up by Black Mantas sword pretty bad.

Black Mantas laser doesnt seem as strong as Thor's lightning's high end feats.

YouTube video

Aquaman loses to Cap (Thor jr.). Like in a stomp fashion like he did to Stepp.

If Cap uses his lightning well, yes. If it devolves into a melee fight then I'm siding with Aquaman.

Cap used the lightning far less than he just used Mjolnir as a hammer.

Originally posted by FrothByte
If Cap uses his lightning well, yes. If it devolves into a melee fight then I'm siding with Aquaman.

If Cap retains his durability, then Aquaman has a shot if he gets in close.
The problem here is that Cap does have lightning at his disposal and knows how to use it, as shown on screen.
The second and probably bigger issue is Mjolnir. Cap seems to be able to swing it around like its weightless and it hits HARD. Also the fact that Cap is a better fighter than Aquaman. I dont think Aquaman can survive a hit from Mjolnir, let alone multiple hammer strikes and lightning mixed in.
I dont think Stepp hit harder than a hammer strike and he had Aquaman beat. Black manta also had Aquaman on the run, and Black Manta is a shittier version of Ironman.

I'm sorry, but thor's "mother of all lightning bolts" only took out a wall. Cap has nothing on that level

Also at 1:19 from the Black Manta fight vid, Black Manta (a regular human with regular human strength) headbutts Aquaman and leaves him on the floor in pain.
Besides getting cut up from BM's sword and messed up from his laser as well.
Dont know where AM is super durable is coming from. Caps hits would mess up Aquaman.

A "regular human" in upgraded atlantean berserker armor.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
A "regular human" in upgraded atlantean berserker armor.

Sure. The suit maybe enhances BM. What strength feats can you provide that show how much the suit enhanced Black Manta?
Edit: I see that it does enhance Black Manta. Still I dont think Aqumans durability is strong enough to take Caps hammer hits or lightning.

Considering superman through him several city blocks and he got slapped around by the kraken through several stone pillars, I think it's safe to say black manta's suit had enhanced strength

Iron man got hit by the hammer in endgame and the first avengers, and he was fine. Are you going to argue that iron man is tankier than aquaman?