Who truly has the faster reaction speed: Supes or Diana

Originally posted by TheHulkster
You asserted that it has been demonstrated that they can't. That is not the same as stating that I have not proven that they can. You made an undeniably false statement.

Now as for my "proof", Superman and Wonder Woman procreating decades in the future logically proves that they can do so now. Alternate versions of them doing so supports this and it doesn't violate the rules because whether they can procreate together or not has nothing to do with supporting or debunking feats nor any other type of prowess.

Add to that the fact that in comics, interspecies procreation among sapient beings has almost no limits.

So nothing, whatsoever. Thanks.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So nothing, whatsoever. Thanks.

Unable to address a single point huh? No problem.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Unable to address a single point huh? No problem.

Well am still waiting for your proof, which you correctly put in quotation marks, at least, as it's "proof".

I agree, it's not proof. Earth-22 (Kingdom Come) isn't proof that Earth-0 can do the same, and rules are pretty clear on alt universe examples.

Edit: also, using future versions is just silly. Who knows what happened in the intervening years? There is a reason current versions are not given the feats/characteristics of future versions - even ignoring that they are parallel Earths.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Edit: also, using future versions is just silly.

It is, it is.

But be fair and make your DC pals realize that first.

I don't understand what you guys are talking about. Kingdom Come is a separate universe. Kingdom Come Superman is a separate Superman.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well am still waiting for your proof, which you correctly put in quotation marks, at least, as it's "proof".

I agree, it's not proof. Earth-22 (Kingdom Come) isn't proof that Earth-0 can do the same, and rules are pretty clear on alt universe examples.

Very little is ever literally proven on this forum and most of what is declared as "proof" is really no more than what is perceived (accurately or inaccurately) as a preponderance of evidence. Plus, you can't truly prove much of anything here because none of this is real. It's not as if I can do an internal exam on either character to determine if they are biologically capable of one fertilizing the other. It's laughable when declarations of "facts" and "proof" are tossed around.

When debating comics, you present enough evidence to come up with a conclusion that is logical and reasonable enough for conclusion, which I feel I have done.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It is, it is.

But be fair and make your DC pals realize that first.

Exactly. On more than one occasion, they have tossed out hypertime, etc. to declare that unlike Marvel, DC's futures are canon.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't understand what you guys are talking about.

Certain DC posters cherrypick alternate realities and declare them canon, that is what.

Hulkster is just striking back.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Certain DC posters cherrypick alternate realities and declare them canon, that is what.

Hulkster is just striking back.

Yep.

Originally posted by leonidas
and yet hypertime is STILL IN USE TODAY . . . and if you're correct, then KINGDOM IS the official future of dc. it was even shown during IC, so KINGDOM is canon, regardless.

there has been no official retcon, and apparently not all the dc writers got the memo.

and even if THAT IS THE CASE it does NOT show that there is not a 'multiverse' in dc. supposedly superboy prime's "reality shattering punch" has sent shockwaves throughout, causing all sorts of problems and chaos with reality.

i'd be interested to see if you could show me in some dc book anywhere recently where it is shown that dc has only one universe. you've seen numerous scans and references that clearly show this is not the case (spectre's multiple earth's shown by jun, kismet's abilities, waverider's continued existence . . .)

for all your love of in-book proof, you're using a lot of executive speak to make your claim -- executive speak that has recently been ignored by those writing the books. 😬

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Very little is ever literally proven on this forum and most of what is declared as "proof" is really no more than what is perceived (accurately or inaccurately) as a preponderance of evidence. Plus, you can't truly prove much of anything here because none of this is real. It's not as if I can do an internal exam on either character to determine if they are biologically capable of one fertilizing the other. It's laughable when declarations of "facts" and "proof" are tossed around.

When debating comics, you present enough evidence to come up with a conclusion that is logical and reasonable enough for conclusion, which I feel I have done.

Except in the comics, Earth-22 isn't the future of Earth-0. It's a parallel timeline. Lois isn't dead at the hands of the Joker, for example.

You've got it wrong. Earth-0 doesn't become Earth-22.

Originally posted by abhilegend
She is an alternate universe Kryptonian who is far slower than Superman (he makes her look like a statue).

What about Supergirl? They are the same, right?

Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't understand what you guys are talking about. Kingdom Come is a separate universe. Kingdom Come Superman is a separate Superman.

Exactly. Yet Hulkster is using events in that book as "proof".

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Yep.

Jesus christ. You're quoting a post from 2006???? From a poster who isn't even here to defend his viewpoint?

Originally posted by carver9
What about Supergirl? They are the same, right?

Are you capable of the same speeds as Usain Bolt?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It is, it is.

But be fair and make your DC pals realize that first.

This!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Exactly. Yet Hulkster is using events in that book as "proof".

Jesus christ. You're quoting a post from 2006???? From a poster who isn't even here to defend his viewpoint?

There have been more recent statements of hypertime making alts canon.

Originally posted by Galan007
All-Star Superman originally started off as an entirely self-contained story that wasn't really connected to the rest of mainstream DC. However, I've always made the argument that it became a canon timeline when the DC1M folks showed up.

Why? Because in the original DC1M story, Kal states that he had just returned from fighting the Chronovore alongside the Superman Squad:

And in All-Star Superman #6, we saw the battle with the Chronovore that Kal referenced above:

...And given that both stories were written by Morrison, it's not hard to connect the dots.

However, there's no need to even connect the dots anymore... The All-Star timeline was shown as an official part of Hypertime quite recently:

**The top right panel is obviously a copy/paste image from All-Star Superman #1:

Originally posted by carver9
This!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And you are just an idiot.

This all starts with this scan from Reed:

In this thread:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=665501&pagenumber=2

And this thread:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=664696&pagenumber=2

Hulkster fought tooth and nail, arguing that Reed was only talking about the Mad Celestials, and not 616 Celestials. Despite Reed not stipulating it was only the Mad Celestials who were vulnerable to entropy.

In THIS thread, he is taking the principle of Hunter Prince, a guy who is WW's son and adopted by Superman, and saying that WW and Supes can procreate. When I pointed out how wrong he was (he thought that WW/Supes had a kid together) he quickly changed tack and piggybacked onto Pr's statement of Kingdom Come, and is now arguing two things:

1. Kingdom Come (Earth-22) is the canon future of Earth-0
2. Despite arguing tooth and nail about alt.universe Celestials not being = to Celestials in terms of physical characteristics, is perfectly happy in applying human/Atlantean procreation, or Rannian/human procreation, across ALL humanoids, lmao. So because Aquaman was the result of a human and an Atlantean, a magical clay construct and a Kryptonian can procreate, lol.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
There have been more recent statements of hypertime making alts canon.

Ok. So DC 1 Million/All Star Superman being canon from a theory by Galan is apparently meaning that Earth-22 is also canon? Lol.

In Earth-22, Martian Manhunter is a shambling wreck. In DC1M, he's fighting for millenia across the universe, lol.

I think there's been some misunderstanding. When Galan says "canon timeline" I'm pretty sure he means that it's a timeline or universe within the DC Multiverse, as opposed to the "What Ifs" that the DC Elseworlds used to be.

KC isn't the future Earth Prime. It's an alternate future from a separate timeline in a separate universe.

Fyi: DC 1M doesn't have an earth designation, iirc. So it's not an alt Earth.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
There have been more recent statements of hypertime making alts canon.

I was saying that the All-Star Superman-verse is *a* canon timeline/universe within the infinity of Hypertime. I was not saying that it is part of the mainstream DCU's canon timeline.