Who truly has the faster reaction speed: Supes or Diana

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And you are just an idiot.

This all starts with this scan from Reed:

In this thread:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=665501&pagenumber=2

And this thread:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=664696&pagenumber=2

Hulkster fought tooth and nail, arguing that Reed was only talking about the Mad Celestials, and not 616 Celestials. [b]Despite Reed not stipulating it was only the Mad Celestials who were vulnerable to entropy.

In THIS thread, he is taking the principle of Hunter Prince, a guy who is WW's son and adopted by Superman, and saying that WW and Supes can procreate. When I pointed out how wrong he was (he thought that WW/Supes had a kid together) he quickly changed tack and piggybacked onto Pr's statement of Kingdom Come, and is now arguing two things:

1. Kingdom Come (Earth-22) is the canon future of Earth-0
2. Despite arguing tooth and nail about alt.universe Celestials not being = to Celestials in terms of physical characteristics, is perfectly happy in applying human/Atlantean procreation, or Rannian/human procreation, across ALL humanoids, lmao. So because Aquaman was the result of a human and an Atlantean, a magical clay construct and a Kryptonian can procreate, lol. [/B]

Now you're lying due to desperation. I didn't change anything due to you pointing out anything. You're harping on Hunter Prince, which is something I changed BEFORE you posted any response to it. You even edited your initial response to it and afterwards decided use the already deleted quote for your typical games. That was my mistake that you keep reaching for.

Address the points without insulting people and lying.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Fyi: DC 1M doesn't have an earth designation, iirc. So it's not an alt Earth.

Exactly.

Granted, going by the stability of L.E.G.I.O.N. canon, that isn't saying much, but its still factually mainstream, unlike Marvels time travel stories that happen in alternative universes.

Originally posted by cdtm
Exactly.

Granted, going by the stability of L.E.G.I.O.N. canon, that isn't saying much, but its still factually mainstream, unlike Marvels time travel stories that happen in alternative universes.

Yet Galan just stated that they are not mainstream. What is being done is taking a difference in editorial labeling to try and take two things that are exactly the same (alternate universes on Marvel and DC) and try to to justify treating them differently. Either all alternate timelines are canon or none of them are.

Originally posted by carver9
What about Supergirl? They are the same, right?

anybody got the scans of supergirl and superman flying across 2 sectors in a page?

Originally posted by MrMind
anybody got the scans of supergirl and superman flying across 2 sectors in a page?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-2018/Issue-17?id=163576#15

nice 👆

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Now you're lying due to desperation. I didn't change anything due to you pointing out anything. You're harping on Hunter Prince, which is something I changed BEFORE you posted any response to it. You even edited your initial response to it and afterwards decided use the already deleted quote for your typical games. That was my mistake that you keep reaching for.

Address the points without insulting people and lying.

Well the points are already made by others and myself.

Earth 22, the Kingdom Come universe, isn't the canon future of what Earth Prime will become. So harping on about it is silly. Galan even had to come in and wonder why you're quoting him.

Saying these two can procreate, based on an assertion that all humanoid species can procreate is silly, unless you have proof the specific mix mentioned here (magical clay construct and Kryptonian) have.

And I'm not reaching for anything. You made two posts on Hunter, one of which you were unable to edit and is still here. Made no mention of Kingdom Come until Pr did, then cling to it like you're drowning.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Yes, he has faster superspeed, she has quicker reflexes.

Pointing out your inconsistency.

With superman being faster due to superseded, it's not just flying, running, but punching, avoiding, moving everything. Superman is faster. She may have better fighting instincts but Reflexes/ reaction are movements, we all know she can't move faster than superman.

Already been established. WW is faster reflex wise or the writer would have never had Batman say so.

Originally posted by JBL
Already been established. WW is faster reflex wise or the writer would have never had Batman say so.

Originally posted by Diesldude
With superman being faster due to superseded, it's not just flying, running, but punching, avoiding, moving everything. Superman is faster. She may have better fighting instincts but Reflexes/ reaction are movements, we all know she can't move faster than superman.

That sounds good on paper but has not been shown that any of it has helped him in a combat situation with a character of WW caliber. She has either been equal to him or got more attacks in past his reflexes and perceptions. She evaded most of his attacks in Sacrifice. He was mind controlled, but that did not impair his speed or perceptions. WW consistently dodge his HV, blocked his punches, implemented joint strikes to break him down, slit his throat before he could react, she even blocked machine un fashion HV while he was blitzing at FTL and closing the distance with ONE HAND(the struggle is understandable, but he still couldn't get past her reflexes with all the aforementioned factors).

She could never have caught him by surprise so many times if he was infinitely faster than her. She was so fast, and her magical kinship Artemis( she is goddess of the hunt so im pretty sure she can walk without making a sound for SM to perceive is my explanation), that she was able to escape the ice and surprise him even when he was using his super hearing. Almost teleporting behind him to deliver the ear clap all while holding back. She delivered like 3 or for strikes obviously moving beyond his ability to react.

None of the vaunted Kryptonian abilties mean much to the likes of WW. This is also taking into consideration her fights with other Kryptonians as well.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well the points are already made by others and myself.

Earth 22, the Kingdom Come universe, isn't the canon future of what Earth Prime will become. So harping on about it is silly. Galan even had to come in and wonder why you're quoting him.

Saying these two can procreate, based on an assertion that all humanoid species can procreate is silly, unless you have proof the specific mix mentioned here (magical clay construct and Kryptonian) have.

And I'm not reaching for anything. You made two posts on Hunter, one of which you were unable to edit and is still here. Made no mention of Kingdom Come until Pr did, then cling to it like you're drowning.

Well, DC fans here have been claiming all alrsnin DC to be canon (including one post here) and Galan referred to one as canon. He says that he was referring to it as canon to the multiverse, which is new. All alts are canon to the multiverse, including the ones in the MU. This even includes Kingdom Come since the characters make a mainstream appearance.

So with that, it has now been established that no alts are admissible in both companies. Cool.

My first post on Hunter was a question and I deleted my second one a few minutes after posting and before you responded. Why do you keep clinging to it like you're drowning?

Wasn't Kingdom Come Wonder Woman made from clay?

Originally posted by TGATES
That sounds good on paper but has not been shown that any of it has helped him in a combat situation with a character of WW caliber. She has either been equal to him or got more attacks in past his reflexes and perceptions. She evaded most of his attacks in Sacrifice. He was mind controlled, but that did not impair his speed or perceptions. WW consistently dodge his HV, blocked his punches, implemented joint strikes to break him down, slit his throat before he could react, she even blocked machine un fashion HV while he was blitzing at FTL and closing the distance with ONE HAND(the struggle is understandable, but he still couldn't get past her reflexes with all the aforementioned factors).

She could never have caught him by surprise so many times if he was infinitely faster than her. She was so fast, and her magical kinship Artemis( she is goddess of the hunt so im pretty sure she can walk without making a sound for SM to perceive is my explanation), that she was able to escape the ice and surprise him even when he was using his super hearing. Almost teleporting behind him to deliver the ear clap all while holding back. She delivered like 3 or for strikes obviously moving beyond his ability to react.

None of the vaunted Kryptonian abilties mean much to the likes of WW. This is also taking into consideration her fights with other Kryptonians as well.

Good points.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes. Good thing is Superman is far faster than Supergirl too.

He is? What make you say this?

Originally posted by JBL
Already been established. WW is faster reflex wise or the writer would have never had Batman say so.

That's not the only time it was said though.

Originally posted by TGATES
That sounds good on paper but has not been shown that any of it has helped him in a combat situation with a character of WW caliber. She has either been equal to him or got more attacks in past his reflexes and perceptions. She evaded most of his attacks in Sacrifice. He was mind controlled, but that did not impair his speed or perceptions. WW consistently dodge his HV, blocked his punches, implemented joint strikes to break him down, slit his throat before he could react, she even blocked machine un fashion HV while he was blitzing at FTL and closing the distance with ONE HAND(the struggle is understandable, but he still couldn't get past her reflexes with all the aforementioned factors).

She could never have caught him by surprise so many times if he was infinitely faster than her. She was so fast, and her magical kinship Artemis( she is goddess of the hunt so im pretty sure she can walk without making a sound for SM to perceive is my explanation), that she was able to escape the ice and surprise him even when he was using his super hearing. Almost teleporting behind him to deliver the ear clap all while holding back. She delivered like 3 or for strikes obviously moving beyond his ability to react.

None of the vaunted Kryptonian abilties mean much to the likes of WW. This is also taking into consideration her fights with other Kryptonians as well.

When he's not mind controlled he's easily blitzes and one shots her.

But this isn't about fighting this is about speed of movements. Do you think WW moves faster? Punches faster? I don't think so. She may have better fighting instincts but nowhere near speed of Superman.

Originally posted by TGATES
That sounds good on paper but has not been shown that any of it has helped him in a combat situation with a character of WW caliber. She has either been equal to him or got more attacks in past his reflexes and perceptions. She evaded most of his attacks in Sacrifice. He was mind controlled, but that did not impair his speed or perceptions. WW consistently dodge his HV, blocked his punches, implemented joint strikes to break him down, slit his throat before he could react, she even blocked machine un fashion HV while he was blitzing at FTL and closing the distance with ONE HAND(the struggle is understandable, but he still couldn't get past her reflexes with all the aforementioned factors).

Except it's mind controlled Superman who was hallucinating and thus missing his attacks. Otherwise even normally he moves fast enough that both Cheetah and power girl (who are as fast or faster than her) can't react at all to his speed.

She could never have caught him by surprise so many times if he was infinitely faster than her. She was so fast, and her magical kinship Artemis( she is goddess of the hunt so im pretty sure she can walk without making a sound for SM to perceive is my explanation), that she was able to escape the ice and surprise him even when he was using his super hearing. Almost teleporting behind him to deliver the ear clap all while holding back. She delivered like 3 or for strikes obviously moving beyond his ability to react.

None of the vaunted Kryptonian abilties mean much to the likes of WW. This is also taking into consideration her fights with other Kryptonians as well.

Except they do. She has quite the losing record against Kryptonians/daxamites.

Originally posted by carver9
He is? What make you say this?

Originally posted by Diesldude
when he was mind controlled he thought he was fighting a 8 feet tall brute. Don't you think that makes a differencee?

When he's not mind controlled he's easily blitzes and one shots her.

But this isn't about fighting this is about speed of movements. Do you think WW moves faster? Punches faster? I don't think so. She may have better fighting instincts but nowhere near speed of Superman.

This 8 foot tall brute?

https://ibb.co/fNZYmq8