Who truly has the faster reaction speed: Supes or Diana

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Apparently that's how he fights under the circumstance he perceives.

Agreed, which is against Doomsday (who had just killed Lois).

Against WW, it would be a different story. Hence, not quite admissible with regards to how a WW/Superman fight goes.

HOWEVER, the opponent he was fighting didn't fight the way Doomsday would fight (after all, it was WW). So the fight isn't indicative of how a Superman/DD fight would go.

In short, inadmissible all round. Cheers.

Originally posted by -Pr-
And? He still used them sloppily and with nothing approaching the skill or concentration he's shown on multiple occasions.

Superman was mentally compromised, and operated in a manner completely different to how he usually would. The comic shows this. The writer said this. Trying to paint it as some high feat when he has multiple higher feats that contradict it, and the argument won't hold much weight at all.

So your post doesn't get buried.

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Honestly, I liken it to handing a drunk guy a sledgehammer. Yeah, he'll hit harder and do more damage than he would if he was restraining himself, but he's still not going to wield it as well as he would if he was sober and told to go destroy something.

We all must be looking at two different comics. Superman was fighting far better than he normally would against DD/WW. That's why the writer had WW explain his every move. Could somebody post the fight so that I can walk people through the fight and show that Superman was fighting smart and using his abilities for a change.

Originally posted by JBL
We all must be looking at two different comics. Superman was fighting far better than he normally would against DD/WW. That's why the writer had WW explain his every move. Could somebody post the fight so that I can walk people through the fight and show that Superman was fighting smart and using his abilities for a change.

You obviously don't read many Superman comics, then.

It's just sad that we've likely had this conversation before.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You obviously don't read many Superman comics, then.

It's just sad that we've likely had this conversation before.

Originally posted by JBL
I know exactly how Superman fight. Post the fight then.

Obviously not.

But sure, here:

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Wonder-Woman-1987/Issue-219?id=7178

Originally posted by -Pr-
Obviously not.

But sure, here:

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Wonder-Woman-1987/Issue-219?id=7178

When the hulk was “manipulated” to fight Ben, he wanted to fight him and got goaded in. the hulkster understood that Superman was manipulated he incorrectly thinks that it all types of manipulations are the same and they impact the fight the same way.

The hulk was told to fight Ben, he knew he was fighting him, wanted to fight him and wasn’t holding back. Superman was seeing something different that what was there.

This is why you have Superman shooting his heat vision and missing while cracking ww’s wrists.

He could have ended the fight many times. 1) he wanted Dd to suffer and 2) when he wanted to hit he was missing because he was seeing something else than what was there.

The manipulation was nowhere near the same and Superman who never said he was going all out, was handicapped because he was seeing what was not there, TheHulkster even admitted this.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Same being. So why would he move slow against a being he knows is that fast?

Also, he is not truly mind controlled, but rather mentally manipulated into seeing something other than what is there.

Hulk is flat out controlled. PM actually speaks through Hulk's voice. Hulk's love for smashing makes it easy for PM, but absent PM's control, Hulk will not have attacked Ben and when control is ended, he ceases attacking Ben.

Diana says that Superman is not holding back and she says that she herself is. He repeatedly punches straight at her face and fires beams straight at her. She ducks, dodge's and blocks them. Clark's head has just been knocked back when he breaks her wrist.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Hulk is flat out controlled. PM actually speaks through Hulk's voice. Hulk's love for smashing makes it easy for PM, but absent PM's control, Hulk will not have attacked Ben and when control is ended, he ceases attacking Ben.

Diana says that Superman is not holding back and she says that she herself is. He repeatedly punches straight at her face and fires beams straight at her. She ducks, dodge's and blocks them. Clark's head has just been knocked back when he breaks her wrist.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Hulk is flat out controlled. PM actually speaks through Hulk's voice. Hulk's love for smashing makes it easy for PM, but absent PM's control, Hulk will not have attacked Ben and when control is ended, he ceases attacking Ben.

Diana says that Superman is not holding back and she says that she herself is. He repeatedly punches straight at her face and fires beams straight at her. She ducks, dodge's and blocks them. Clark's head has just been knocked back when he breaks her wrist.

Originally posted by -Pr-
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Honestly, I liken it to handing a drunk guy a sledgehammer. Yeah, he'll hit harder and do more damage than he would if he was restraining himself, but he's still not going to wield it as well as he would if he was sober and told to go destroy something.

And if said drunk guy was out to make you suffer for as long as possible, as opposed to his sober self out to end a fight as quickly as possible.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And if said drunk guy was out to make you suffer for as long as possible, as opposed to his sober self out to end a fight as quickly as possible.

Originally posted by JBL
You are comparing Superman to a drunk person? That's the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen on KMC. Superman was using heat vision freeze breath super hearing tactical attacks and not holding back at all. Smh

Oh, I wasn't, a mod was 😂

But a drunk raging guy isn't holding back his strength etc either.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Hulk is flat out controlled. PM actually speaks through Hulk's voice. Hulk's love for smashing makes it easy for PM, but absent PM's control, Hulk will not have attacked Ben and when control is ended, he ceases attacking Ben.

Diana says that Superman is not holding back and she says that she herself is. He repeatedly punches straight at her face and fires beams straight at her. She ducks, dodge's and blocks them. Clark's head has just been knocked back when he breaks her wrist.

If you’re seeing something that’s not what is there, doesn’t it affect your ability to fight properly? He got KO’d lol

Wait he’s telling hulk to fight, hulk wanted to fight and hulk isn’t resisting. This kind of manipulation had no impact on the results. But we can take this discuss in another thread if you want.

In the scans I posted, Superman is shooting his heat vision over WW because he was trying to shoot doomsday in the face.
And then swung completely over Wonder Womam knowing the doomsday doesn’t duck.
What might look like WW was ducking or avoiding, it was Superman Missing because he was seeing different than what was there. Your words.

Originally posted by JBL
Thank you. Point 1. We now know that Superman was going all out. Address that first.

I already did. The man is compromised. Full of grief, rage, and attacking Doomsday with not just anger, but cruelty too.

Superman's best feats, almost all of them, come when he's still in full control of his faculties. He isn't here.

Originally posted by JBL
Don't waste your time with that liar. He lies to protect Superman. He posts scans and then flat out lie about them even though we ALL know he's lying.

You're in no position to pass judgement.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And if said drunk guy was out to make you suffer for as long as possible, as opposed to his sober self out to end a fight as quickly as possible.

Basically.

Originally posted by JBL
You are comparing Superman to a drunk person? That's the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen on KMC. Superman was using heat vision freeze breath super hearing tactical attacks and not holding back at all. Smh

You act like these are esoteric attacks that he has to concentrate to use. As a teenager he used to use heat vision by accident, and had to train to control it. Super breath is literally a hard exhale. Even his hearing is something he has to filter out.

I used to think you were just being hateful of the character, but tbh it's starting to feel like you don't have a ****ing clue about him.

Originally posted by JBL
Don't waste your time with that liar. He lies to protect Superman. He posts scans and then flat out lie about them even though we ALL know he's lying.

I’m presenting scans to backup my argument you dumb phucking asswipe.

You don’t bring anything of value to this forum, your a waste of space here and and a lowlife pos in real life, someone should report you to CPA for whoring your son to so called dc writers.

Originally posted by Diesldude
I’m presenting scans to backup my argument you dumb phucking asswipe.

You don’t bring anything of value to this forum, your a waste of space here and and a lowlife pos in real life, someone should report you to CPA for whoring your son to so called dc writers.

Dude. That's pretty awful.

I think Diesl is just tired and lost his temper, and JBL is just trolling.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Dude. That's pretty awful.