Originally posted by TheHulkster
Read this thread. Pages of proof. Greatest single feat in comics by a hero.
Let's assume Hyperion was holding 2 universes apart for a brief moment (and not 2 planets). How much force was Hyperion pushing with? How much force does universes push with in this scenario? Can you quantify it?
Originally posted by h1a8
Let's assume Hyperion was holding 2 universes apart for a brief moment (and not 2 planets). How much force was Hyperion pushing with? How much force does universes push with in this scenario? Can you quantify it?
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Originally posted by carver9
The suit was stated as being capable of withstanding anything. The chains were as well. Both are hyperbolic statements so it doesnt matter what you feel either can do.
Originally posted by TheHulkstertry aren't going to take one star on an intergalactic trip that would be waste of resources. But even if we lowball it at one, it's still enough.
It says that they are used to haul stars between galaxies. Where does it give a quantity? Where does it say "all" the stars in a galaxy?
Originally posted by h1a8their entire argument is stupid.
Let's assume Hyperion was holding 2 universes apart for a brief moment (and not 2 planets). How much force was Hyperion pushing with? How much force does universes push with in this scenario? Can you quantify it?
The universe isn't a solid object.
It's like 2 big waves in the ocean come at you from the opposite direction. Both of them have a mud ball in front. You stand in the direct path of the mud ball. Stick your arms out to push the mud balls back. This won't stop the waves, they both will continue and crash into Eachother. Just because you held the mud balls apart doesn't mean you held the waves apart. Then while you hold the mud ball apart for a certain amount of time, the force of the wave will keep pushing the mud balls against your arms. Your denser then the mud ball so it will break. This isn't even a lifting feat. More a durability feat.
Originally posted by Diesldude
It doesn't matter what I feel they can do but it does matter the stated purpose of the 2. One can haul stars the other nothing just hyperbolic statements.
One can haul stars and the other can withstand ANY pressure and ANY temperature in space. Seems clear cut to me. Either both are accepted or both are hyperbolic statements.
Originally posted by carver9
One can haul stars and the other can withstand ANY pressure and ANY temperature in space. Seems clear cut to me. Either both are accepted or both are hyperbolic statements.
Wait, how is this statement "These chains are used to haul stars between galaxies" hyperbolic? Do you know what this word even means?
The unbreakable chains and a suit that can withstand any pressure and heat are hyperbolic statements. SMH.
Metal used to make suits for space exploration and the other is used to haul stars are factual statements.
This has been explained to you many times. Your obviously trolling because no one is this stupid.
Originally posted by carver9
One can haul stars and the other can withstand ANY pressure and ANY temperature in space. Seems clear cut to me. Either both are accepted or both are hyperbolic statements.
The chains are able to haul stars is a factual statement and therefore not hyperbole. Can withstand any pressure is hyperbole because it was proven false. Stop trolling.
Originally posted by h1a8
1. Being as powerful as a black hole is irrelevant since we know the minimum of how powerful the chains are.
2. Again, the statement that absorbing something takes more pressure than releasing something is false, especially when it comes to things that are not proven to exist.
3. In fiction a black hole is shown to be a region of space where nothing can escape. The singularity creates this region of space. The singularity is the size of an atom. Characters in comics never touch the singularity (except Superman when he held one). They rather reside inside the event horizon. Anyway, being inside one isn't even a stellar feat.
4. The writer is not going to lowball the feat and make the chains haul stars for hundreds of years and at the same time mention going from galaxies to other galaxies. The mention of galaxies was to show the reader the incredible speed in which the star is being hauled.5. Yes, exactly. You can't grab a region of space physically and physically tear it apart. Therefore, it's hyperbole unless Gladiator used some type of tech that allowed him to even grab the space.
It is not illogical for humans to get multiversal powers from experiments. Anyway, if we accept that it can be done in comics then that still doesn't give us the magnitude of force it takes to achieve. It could take less that planetary weight force for all we know.
1. How's it irrelevant? A Black Hole is durable enough to become a Quasar, which has an energy output a thousand times more than the Milky Way's.
2. No, it's common sense, I've provided you a very simple example, that shows why absorbing requires more power than releasing. Releasing something just requires to leave said thing, it's very easy, but absorbing something requires a lot of power.
3. The Singularity is part of a Black Hole, and it was shown that Gladiator tore part the Black Hole. So, it includes it's Singularity too, unless there's any contradiction.
4. I don't think so, STAR'S' was used because a Star System has only one Star. Even, if it's FTL, it pales in comparison with what a Black Hole can do. I mentioned what a Black Hole/Quasar can do.
5. Um, Sentry tearing apart space JUST recently, Thor has torn apart Space twice or thrice. That's not hyperbole, you're calling it one because it debilitates your point.
It's very illogical for humans to get Multiversal powers, simply because there body can't hold or manipulate that much power, they will get vaporized, even if they come in contact with a fraction of it, but this is fiction, who knows what can happen.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilI don't know what this is all about, Im sure if I wanted to I could have gone to Wikipedia and read most of this in a better format.
1. How's it irrelevant? A Black Hole is durable enough to become a Quasar, which has an energy output a thousand times more than the Milky Way's.
2. No, it's common sense, I've provided you a very simple example, that shows why absorbing requires more power than releasing. Releasing something just requires to leave said thing, it's very easy, but absorbing something requires a lot of power.
3. The Singularity is part of a Black Hole, and it was shown that Gladiator tore part the Black Hole. So, it includes it's Singularity too, unless there's any contradiction.
4. I don't think so, STAR'S' was used because a Star System has only one Star. Even, if it's FTL, it pales in comparison with what a Black Hole can do. I mentioned what a Black Hole/Quasar can do.
5. Um, Sentry tearing apart space JUST recently, Thor has torn apart Space twice or thrice. That's not hyperbole, you're calling it one because it debilitates your point.
It's very illogical for humans to get Multiversal powers, simply because there body can't hold or manipulate that much power, they will get vaporized, even if they come in contact with a fraction of it, but this is fiction, who knows what can happen.
You're bringing up quasars? SMH.. You gotta go bigger than that if you are going to accept towing stars at FTL. These chains can handle trillions and trillions of times the weight of a star. That Is probably universal size. If you could tow the universe, you would use these chains., and superman is the guy who would be towing it.
Originally posted by Diesldude
Wait, how is this statement "These chains are used to haul stars between galaxies" hyperbolic? Do you know what this word even means?The unbreakable chains and a suit that can withstand any pressure and heat are hyperbolic statements. SMH.
Metal used to make suits for space exploration and the other is used to haul stars are factual statements.
This has been explained to you many times. Your obviously trolling because no one is this stupid.
Wait, you, not diesldude is calling someone stupid? Now that is hilarious. I truly dont think you understand what the word "any" mean. If I was super strong and I told the world on tv that I can lift ANY animal on Earth, what does that mean to you? Does that mean I can only lift a sheep"?
Originally posted by carver9I bet your night school teacher is on suicide watch and it's not because of your lips.
Wait, you, not diesldude is calling someone stupid? Now that is hilarious. I truly dont think you understand what the word "any" mean. If I was super strong and I told the world on tv that I can lift ANY animal on Earth, what does that mean to you? Does that mean I can only lift a sheep"?
Given you so many examples and you're still stuck on a word you used first, a word you don't seem to know the meaning of.
Originally posted by Diesldude
I don't know what this is all about, Im sure if I wanted to I could have gone to Wikipedia and read most of this in a better format.You're bringing up quasars? SMH.. You gotta go bigger than that if you are going to accept towing stars at FTL. These chains can handle trillions and trillions of times the weight of a star. That Is probably universal size. If you could tow the universe, you would use these chains., and superman is the guy who would be towing it.
No, Stars must not necessarily mean Trillions, it could be more than 2 or less than 50.
Also, hauling them at FTL speeds isn't a feat for the chains, but rather a feat for the one who is pulling them at FTL speeds.
The purpose of the chains is to hold the Stars together. Since there's no resistance in the Vaccum of Space, if the stars are being pulled at FTL speeds, it's not a feat for those chains, but rather for the one who is pulling them.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilwho said hauling trillions or stars?
No, Stars must not necessarily mean Trillions, it could be more than 2 or less than 50.
Also, hauling them at FTL speeds isn't a feat for the chains, but rather a feat for the one who is pulling them at FTL speeds.
The purpose of the chains is to hold the Stars together. Since there's no resistance in the Vaccum of Space, if the stars are being pulled at FTL speeds, it's not a feat for those chains, but rather for the one who is pulling them.
The purpose of the chains is to hold the stars together? Funny I thought the word they used was “haul”.
All this time you were denying that the stars were hauled at FTL you finally came around to accepting it, Why? Because you came up with the space is a vacuum excuse?
Did you consider the star’s Mass and gravity? Not only is the star weight that is being hailed, but it’s gravity pulling against the chains. On the opposite side you have ships that can haul stars pulling on the same chains like a tug of war at FTL. But who cares about this? This is a comic, when somebody says haul, what do you picture? Not a scientific paper right? it’s someone in a truck hauling Someone’s beat up old car.