Originally posted by carver9
Lol and you cant put chains on a sun and pull it (like, wtf). You're arguing hyperbole with hyperbole.
Of course you can. Why can't you?
The sun is not empty space like a black hole is. It's matter.
And what you are not understanding is that even if you can magically rip apart an event horizon then how much force does that take? 100tons?
Originally posted by carver9
Gotcha. So I'm ignoring writers intent even though you're ignore writers intent with the Hulk and Gladiator ft? We are either come to come to a conclusion and accept everything here or we are going to keep debating this. Hulk destroyed something with ease that can withstand ANY pressure and temperature. Gladiator ripped a black hole apart with his hands. Superman destroyed chains that can carry suns, etc...OOOOORRRRR, everything above is hyperbole. Choose!!!
It's not the writer's intent that the it can withstand any pressure. Otherwise, Hulk wouldn't be able to damage it. Do you get the common sense? You can't withstand any pressure and at the same time not withstand any pressure. That's a contradiction. The writer's intent is for the character to believe that it can withstand any pressure only to be found wrong when Hulk damages it.
Originally posted by MrMind
it didn't even say it's a sun, it's just a giant fireball. so what relevance is this feat in relation to stars pulling chains?now don't make me repeat the third time
how on earth does this feat explain surfer can break chains that pull billions of suns from one galaxy to another?
What other giant fireballs sit in space? Stellar strength.
Where did they say "billions"? Is there another page in the book clarifying this?
Originally posted by h1a8
It's not the writer's intent that the it can withstand any pressure. Otherwise, Hulk wouldn't be able to damage it. Do you get the common sense? You can't withstand any pressure and at the same time not withstand any pressure. That's a contradiction. The writer's intent is for the character to believe that it can withstand any pressure only to be found wrong when Hulk damages it.
Ooooooorrrrrr, Hulk can do anything. It's just that simple. This is a guy that overpowered his own power, TWICE.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
1. Yes, White Holes aren't proven to exist. Right, but the writer didn't say that they're powerful than a Black Hole.
2. Absorbing something requires more power, there are many characters who struggle absorbing certain level of Power, but don't have any problems in releasing said power.
One of the simplest examples are humans, our body takes hours to absorb the proteins and energy or whatever from food, but can emit and spend that energy within 30 seconds.
3. Wrong, A Black Hole is a Black Hole, they aren't only famous for their event horizon. What makes them interesting is there Singularity, where laws of physics cease to operate and what happens after it.
4. Writer didn't low-ball anything. Just breaking those chains alone is helluva impressive, regardless whether they haul them at normal or FTL speeds. He made them go from galaxies to galaxies because Galaxies consist of STAR'S'. A Star System, most of the times, consists of only a single Star. The writer was talking about STAR'S, not STAR, that's why he chose Galaxies, which consist of many of them, over Star Systems, which mostly contain only one of them.
5. How's it a hyperbole? Because it sounds illogical? Exceeding the speed of light is illogical too, but nobody calls it a hyperbole. This is fiction, if some Humans can get Multiversal powers from some wierd experiments, then Black Holes can be tore apart too.
1. Being as powerful as a black hole is irrelevant since we know the minimum of how powerful the chains are.
2. Again, the statement that absorbing something takes more pressure than releasing something is false, especially when it comes to things that are not proven to exist.
3. In fiction a black hole is shown to be a region of space where nothing can escape. The singularity creates this region of space. The singularity is the size of an atom. Characters in comics never touch the singularity (except Superman when he held one). They rather reside inside the event horizon. Anyway, being inside one isn't even a stellar feat.
4. The writer is not going to lowball the feat and make the chains haul stars for hundreds of years and at the same time mention going from galaxies to other galaxies. The mention of galaxies was to show the reader the incredible speed in which the star is being hauled.
5. Yes, exactly. You can't grab a region of space physically and physically tear it apart. Therefore, it's hyperbole unless Gladiator used some type of tech that allowed him to even grab the space.
It is not illogical for humans to get multiversal powers from experiments. Anyway, if we accept that it can be done in comics then that still doesn't give us the magnitude of force it takes to achieve. It could take less that planetary weight force for all we know.
Originally posted by h1a8
Of course you can. Why can't you?
The sun is not empty space like a black hole is. It's matter.And what you are not understanding is that even if you can magically rip apart an event horizon then how much force does that take? 100tons?
You cant chain up a sun and drag it. That's physically impossible.
Originally posted by carver9
Ooooooorrrrrr, Hulk can do anything. It's just that simple. This is a guy that overpowered his own power, TWICE.
You don't seem to get what a contradiction is. You can either withstand any pressure or you can't.
Also, you are not understanding the story and writer's intent. The writer intended for the character to falsely believe that it can withstand any pressure when in fact it can't. It's called a false sense of arrogance. It's not a feat.
Originally posted by h1a8
You don't seem to get what a contradiction is. You can either withstand any pressure or you can't.Also, you are not understanding the story and writer's intent. The writer intended for the character to falsely believe that it can withstand any pressure when in fact it can't. It's called a false sense of arrogance. It's not a feat.
So again, you're either going to accept both showings or none since both of them feed off of statements. Writer intent in Hulk story is, he can do the impossible and break the unbreakable. Same with Superman. Both of these objects are featless that cling on to nothing but statements. Accept both or stop talking to me. It's just that simple.
Originally posted by h1a8
Matter.
"The Sun is a huge, glowing sphere of hot gas. Most of this gas is hydrogen (about 70%) and helium (about 28%). Carbon, nitrogen and oxygen make up 1.5% and the other 0.5% is made up of small amounts of many other elements such as neon, iron, silicon, magnesium and sulfur".
This can not get dragged by chains. Lol.
Originally posted by carver9
"The Sun is a huge, glowing sphere of hot gas. Most of this gas is hydrogen (about 70%) and helium (about 28%). Carbon, nitrogen and oxygen make up 1.5% and the other 0.5% is made up of small amounts of many other elements such as neon, iron, silicon, magnesium and sulfur".This can not get dragged by chains. Lol.
No, the sun is compressed with astronomically amount of pressure. This allows the Sun to behave like a solid.
Originally posted by h1a8
1. Being as powerful as a black hole is irrelevant since we know the minimum of how powerful the chains are.
2. Again, the statement that absorbing something takes more pressure than releasing something is false, especially when it comes to things that are not proven to exist.
3. In fiction a black hole is shown to be a region of space where nothing can escape. The singularity creates this region of space. The singularity is the size of an atom. Characters in comics never touch the singularity (except Superman when he held one). They rather reside inside the event horizon. Anyway, being inside one isn't even a stellar feat.
4. The writer is not going to lowball the feat and make the chains haul stars for hundreds of years and at the same time mention going from galaxies to other galaxies. The mention of galaxies was to show the reader the incredible speed in which the star is being hauled.5. Yes, exactly. You can't grab a region of space physically and physically tear it apart. Therefore, it's hyperbole unless Gladiator used some type of tech that allowed him to even grab the space.
It is not illogical for humans to get multiversal powers from experiments. Anyway, if we accept that it can be done in comics then that still doesn't give us the magnitude of force it takes to achieve. It could take less that planetary weight force for all we know.
I'll address this when I come back
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_hole
BTW I have no idea what the author means by "an inverted black hole," but if he means a white hole (he does) , than the strength of those chains is no less impressive than had they been forged inside a black hole, because, even if you could enter a white hole (you can't), you can't stay in one: A white hole immediately pushes everything that enters its event horizon away from it.