Which of these characters can replicate this feat

Originally posted by Diesldude
smh thats cap with the IG. Different words are used to say 2 different things.
IG works differently than bricks. I hope you can understand the difference. He also uses the word “universe” not world in the cap instance. This is why the earth doesn't get crushed because cap is pushing the earth and the universe at the same time, whereas hyperion is only trying to keep "worlds" apart.

Differences..
"worlds" vs "universe"
IG can affect the entire universe, where as a brick will affect only what he's touching.

Another myth debunked.

Let’s first of all deal with what was being addressed, which was your analogy. Now that we have an analogy given by the writer that eliminates the analogy that you conjured up, how are you going to reconcile your denial with it?

Now regarding the strawman point of what Cap does, the context of what Reed says is clear. Reed addresses the planet itself comparing it to an island that is visible. Then he references an unseen universe which is comparable to the underwater landmass that the island is a part of. With these two things, he determines what Cap is in essence doing when he pushes the planet back. By pushing the planet back, he is thus literally pushing the universe back.

If you look at the artwork, we see the IG acting directly on the planet. And Cap and the rest of the Avengers have the goal of stopping each incursion without destroying one of the Earths. So clearly, Cap is going to us the IG to push the Earth back without destroying it.

So the difference between Cap with IG and Hyperion is that Hype holds them apart but is unable to protect the Earths while Cap pushes one away while protecting it. But in both situations, universal force is withstood.

Originally posted by JBL
If it was Superman who held them apart, anybody that said it was two planets would have been bashed and called a hater and liar and those two universe's would have infinite size.

Absolutely correct.

Where did you get that he pushed them apart?

He held them apart until they broke. Just like my balloons attached to the car.

Perhaps we need another mod ruling 😂

You may want to read my post again.

And mine. Maybe we need a mod?

Quote where I said that Hype pushes them apart.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Let’s first of all deal with what was being addressed, which was your analogy. Now that we have an analogy given by the writer that eliminates the analogy that you conjured up, how are you going to reconcile your denial with it?

Now regarding the strawman point of what Cap does, the context of what Reed says is clear. Reed addresses the planet itself comparing it to an island that is visible. Then he references an unseen universe which is comparable to the underwater landmass that the island is a part of. With these two things, he determines what Cap is in essence doing when he pushes the planet back. By pushing the planet back, he is thus literally pushing the universe back.

If you look at the artwork, we see the IG acting directly on the planet. And Cap and the rest of the Avengers have the goal of stopping each incursion without destroying one of the Earths. So clearly, Cap is going to us the IG to push the Earth back without destroying it.

So the difference between Cap with IG and Hyperion is that Hype holds them apart but is unable to protect the Earths while Cap pushes one away while protecting it. But in both situations, universal force is withstood.

With the IG you can impact the universe without touching it.

Reed's exact words, "he's literally pushing the universe that is hidden from us". He's not saying the that cap is pushing the earth and the universe goes with it. He said it pretty clearly that cap was pushing the universe with the IG and not the earth. Where does it say that By pushing the earth you push the universe?

Hyperion, all hype, name suits him well, was said to have held the words apart not universes. Shake my head, a clear distinction is made between the 2 feats.

That is exactly what Reed is saying based on context. Let me ask you this. When the Earth's collide, both universes are destroyed. When one Earth is destroyed, both universes survive, showing that the universes only make contact at the Earth's. So why are the universes destroyed?

And I gather that you are unable to reconcile the given analogy with your denial of him holding to universes apart.

Even Spider-Man could break those shitty chains and DS' will to live along with them.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
That is exactly what Reed is saying based on context. Let me ask you this. When the Earth's collide, both universes are destroyed. When one Earth is destroyed, both universes survive, showing that the universes only make contact at the Earth's. So why are the universes destroyed?

And I gather that you are unable to reconcile the given analogy with your denial of him holding to universes apart.

Bro Stop with the lame comebacks. When somebody exposes your denial you got to comeback with something different.

There is no context, he literally said cap was pushing the universe that was hidden from us. Where's the context?

And, You just brought up a point that counters your view.
The universe only get destroyed if the earth's occupy the same space.
Thats because the earth is special. You prevent the earths from occupying the same space the universes survive and all hype wasn't even able to do this.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Bro Stop with the lame comebacks. When somebody exposes your denial you got to comeback with something different.

There is no context, he literally said cap was pushing the universe that was hidden from us. Where's the context?

And, You just brought up a point that counters your view.
The universe only get destroyed if the earth's occupy the same space.
Thats because the earth is special. You prevent the earths from occupying the same space the universes survive and all hype wasn't even able to do this.

Talk about something different. Now you talk about the Earth being special. Earth is the incursion point because Earth is where the trigger occurred (Molecule Man being killed). The universe isn't destroyed by Earths occupying the same space. It is destroyed by a collision between the two. When the Earth's occupy the same space, they can be viewed by the inhabitants.

The book says that the universes are destroyed by reverberations. What causes these reverberations?

And yes ,that is the context. Reed points out that the Earth is the part of the universe we see and that the rest is hidden. He uses an island as an analogy. Thus as Cap pushes the planet back, he also pushes the universe back. Remember that Reed is not using the IG. Cap is and Cap is only functioning under the premise of moving the planet away. Moving the universe is a biproduct.

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Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
It's obvious, if something doesn't follow science it is illogical. There aren't any reasons to show how someone with mass can travel at SoL, let alone FTL.
Yes, Tension is only applicable if the chains and stars are being influenced by the gravity of something larger.

So that I can make sure you understand. Answer this question:
If you were in outer space floating with a baseball the mass of a bowling ball in your hand then would you be able to throw this baseball with the same speed as a normal baseball?

There's no resistance in the vaccum of Space, so the speeds at which the chains are pulled doesn't matter, it would've, in case, the stars and chains are influenced by the gravity of something larger. If there's no gravity, there's no tension among the parts of the chain.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
There's no resistance in the vaccum of Space, so the speeds at which the chains are pulled doesn't matter, it would've, in case, the stars and chains are influenced by the gravity of something larger. If there's no gravity, there's no tension among the parts of the chain.

So that I can make sure you understand. Answer this question:
If you were in outer space floating with a baseball the mass of a bowling ball in your hand then would you be able to throw this baseball with the same speed as a normal baseball?

Originally posted by h1a8
So that I can make sure you understand. Answer this question:
If you were in outer space floating with a baseball the mass of a bowling ball in your hand then would you be able to throw this baseball with the same speed as a normal baseball?

You can throw the ball at much further distance than you could in an environmental place.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Talk about something different. Now you talk about the Earth being special. Earth is the incursion point because Earth is where the trigger occurred (Molecule Man being killed). The universe isn't destroyed by Earths occupying the same space. It is destroyed by a collision between the two. When the Earth's occupy the same space, they can be viewed by the inhabitants.

The book says that the universes are destroyed by reverberations. What causes these reverberations?

And yes ,that is the context. Reed points out that the Earth is the part of the universe we see and that the rest is hidden. He uses an island as an analogy. Thus as Cap pushes the planet back, he also pushes the universe back. Remember that Reed is not using the IG. Cap is and Cap is only functioning under the premise of moving the planet away. Moving the universe is a biproduct.

Who care if reed isn't using the IG. The writer is using reed to tell us what is happening. Nowhere in the comic does it says that the universe moved as a byproduct of moving the earth. Can you show me this?
All I saw was reed saying the cap was literally pushing the universe. Now Google literally. After you read the word's definition you will know that there is no context, no by product. Smh you can't be any clearer than that, literally.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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Originally posted by Diesldude
Who care if reed isn't using the IG. The writer is using reed to tell us what is happening. Nowhere in the comic does it says that the universe moved as a byproduct of moving the earth. Can you show me this?
All I saw was reed saying the cap was literally pushing the universe. Now Google literally. After you read the word's definition you will know that there is no context, no by product. Smh you can't be any clearer than that, literally.

Yet, the Great Society stopped an incursion pushing the Earth back through:

https://imgur.com/a/RSmPmFY

So again, pushing the Earth back pushes the universe back. That's clear as day.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Yet, the Great Society stopped an incursion pushing the Earth back through:

https://imgur.com/a/RSmPmFY

So again, pushing the Earth back pushes the universe back. That's clear as day.

SMH finally you agreed that they pushed "planet" here, but it wasn't against a universe, they pushed it through time so that it doesn't crash with the other earth saving both universe. In caps scan you said he saved the earth from destruction with the IG but the great Society didn't have the IG DID THEY? So how were they able to push the earth and the universe without destroying the earth? Simple they didn't push it with the universe they pushed the planet through time.
cap with the IG pushed the universe with the earth, these guys pushed just the earth.

Nowhere does it say that the Great Society pushed the universe. Prove it.. On panel it says that They found a work around and are still trying to find other ways. None of them say pushing the universe.

You guys are reaching big time, none of your arguments and scans help your cause, as a matter of fact they actually give me material to strengthen my view.