Originally posted by Diesldude
where does it say that the universe is pushed back? Where is it stated, which panel and where does it say that if you push the earth back it pushes the universe?SMH finally you agreed that they pushed "planet" here, but it wasn't against a universe, they pushed it through time so that it doesn't crash with the other earth saving both universe. In caps scan you said he saved the earth from destruction with the IG but the great Society didn't have the IG DID THEY? So how were they able to push the earth and the universe without destroying the earth? Simple they didn't push it with the universe they pushed the planet through time.
cap with the IG pushed the universe with the earth, these guys pushed just the earth.Nowhere does it say that the Great Society pushed the universe. Prove it.. On panel it says that They found a work around and are still trying to find other ways. None of them say pushing the universe.
You guys are reaching big time, none of your arguments and scans help your cause, as a matter of fact they actually give me material to strengthen my view.
Well, first of all, pushing the world back through and pushing a planet through time are two different things done on two different occasions. You are, for some reason, combining them.
With that, we have The Great Society pushing the world back through resulting in stopping the incursion. So if they stop an incursion by moving a planet back through and no more, why does Cap move an entire universe back? Why doesn't Cap just move the planet back and stop the incursion like that while probably not damaging the Infinity Stones? It makes no sense.
But what makes sense is that Cap does just target moving the planet, but in order to move the planet back, he has to move the entire universe back. This would be the same case for the Great Society. How they did it? We don't know. Maybe they had their universe's equivalent of the IG. However they did it, they push the planet back and subsequently push the universe back.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Well, first of all, pushing the world back through and pushing a planet through time are two different things done on two different occasions. You are, for some reason, combining them.With that, we have The Great Society pushing the world back through resulting in stopping the incursion. So if they stop an incursion by moving a planet back through and no more, why does Cap move an entire universe back? Why doesn't Cap just move the planet back and stop the incursion like that while probably not damaging the Infinity Stones? It makes no sense.
But what makes sense is that Cap does just target moving the planet, but in order to move the planet back, he has to move the entire universe back. This would be the same case for the Great Society. How they did it? We don't know. Maybe they had their universe's equivalent of the IG. However they did it, they push the planet back and subsequently push the universe back.
But if the great society stops the incursion by merely pushing a planet back then that proves that Hyperion was doing the same.
Originally posted by TheHulksterthey found multiple ways of stopping destruction, I mentioned them pushing through time. You’re the only one trying to make planet and universe interchangeable because of some made up context not in your scans.
Well, first of all, pushing the world back through and pushing a planet through time are two different things done on two different occasions. You are, for some reason, combining them.With that, we have The Great Society pushing the world back through resulting in stopping the incursion. So if they stop an incursion by moving a planet back through and no more, why does Cap move an entire universe back? Why doesn't Cap just move the planet back and stop the incursion like that while probably not damaging the Infinity Stones? It makes no sense.
But what makes sense is that Cap does just target moving the planet, but in order to move the planet back, he has to move the entire universe back. This would be the same case for the Great Society. How they did it? We don't know. Maybe they had their universe's equivalent of the IG. However they did it, they push the planet back and subsequently push the universe back.
The great Society found many ways, one of them was to push the earth back through. (The one your pushing as proof) for that instance, They didn’t say they pushed the universe back through. That right there tells you, that you can push the earth back without having to push the universe.
but again they are talking about the planet not the universe. They also pushed the planet through time. Each time they worked with a planet.
Reed said Cap “is literally pushing the universe.
You said cap pushed the earth and as a byproduct got pushed.
I asked you to show us where it states that the universe was pushed as a byproduct? You bring up a scan of the Great Society finding work around to saving universes. This didn’t answer my question to prove your byproduct claim. It actually proves otherwise.
You can push the planet(not the universe). Or push it back through. That shows you you can push the earth back through without having to push the universe. Multiple times the earth was moved by them but the universe wasn’t.
So this doesn’t answer my question about where does it say that the universe is moved as a byproduct? If there is anything you have shown, is that the universe is SAVED as a byproduct of moving the earth but this point was never in contention.
Originally posted by h1a8
But if the great society stops the incursion by merely pushing a planet back then that proves that Hyperion was doing the same.
But Cap and Reed show that in order to stop an incursion without destroying one of the planets, you must literally push the universe back. And since the GS state that they push the planet back through to stop one, that means that when you do so, you are also literally pushing the entire universe that it is connected to. This jibes with what we see Cap do with the IG and this would apply to what Hyperion does.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
But Cap and Reed show that in order to stop an incursion without destroying one of the planets, you must literally push the universe back. And since the GS state that they push the planet back through to stop one, that means that when you do so, you are also literally pushing the entire universe that it is connected to. This jibes with what we see Cap do with the IG and this would apply to what Hyperion does.
LOL where is the byproduct though?
Reed said literally.
GS showed that you can move the planet anyhich where without having to push the universe.
What does “through” mean? It’s definitely does not mean with whatever is connected with it.
Why didn’t then earth crumble if the universe was pushed back when GS pushed it through? There are so many holes in your theory bro.
Cap with the pushed the universe, no mention that it was a byproduct of moving the earth.
GS found work around a by moving the planets no mention of the universe.
Hyperion tried to hold the planets apart but failed.
Of these three only one that worked on a universal scale without any doubt, proven 100% by on panel dialogue is cap.
Observe:
Notice the writer's use of double en dashes. They work the same as parentheses and provide connection and clarification. In this instance, "the other universe" clarifies "the other Earth". It shows that Reed is clarifying what happens when the other Earth is pushed.
Originally posted by TheHulksterWait what? Pushing both. One that earth is part of the universe. He wants to push both the earth and the universe. Your scan of GS pushing the planet through time shows that the earth isn't connected because they didn't push the universe though just the planet. Here reed is saying they are pushing both that is why both the universe and the earth are mentioned. And when cap does push the universe back, Reed states that cap is literally pushing the universe. literally pushing the universe.
Observe:Notice the writer's use of double en dashes. They work the same as parentheses and provide connection and clarification. In this instance, "the other universe" clarifies "the other Earth". It shows that Reed is clarifying what happens when the other Earth is pushed.
You can't get any clearer than that.
With that one sentence, there is no guessing, unless you don't know the definition of "literally".
What does literally mean btw? Want to know how you define this word.
Originally posted by TheHulksterexcept that this word wasn't used in the instances you are mentioning. With that said, you are welcome to accept the Phil's challenge on this feat.
"Literally" means actually; without exaggeration. I don't see how that conflicts with anything I said. Whatever dynamic is involved in moving a planet through time has nothing to do with pushing a planet back through an incursion point.