Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Good answer.So how long did Hyperion hold them for?
LONG enough for them to be stated that he held them apart for a noticeable amount of time.
To put it all into perspective the two earths were simply the meeting points of the two universes. He briefly held back the two earths but that would mean nothing to holding back the force of the universe behind then (consider space if empty hence why they were held back). What should be KEPT in mind is that he did however survive the force of two individual universe colliding.
This literally has been mentioned in a few studies but putting weight or force on a particular point of a larger surface area will more then likely pierce through the object rather then stop its momentum.
If two planets can collide and cause a reverberation that destroys two universes, why can’t a planet withstand the force of an entire universe for a short time?
In comicbooks, a planet can resist the force of a universe for a short time as shown. Don’t try to inject real world physics or logic. The Earths of two universes serve as the collision points of each universe. When these Earths collide, that means the universes collide which is why there is enough force for both universes to be destroyed. During one incursion, Reed explains that by pushing the planet back, Cap is literally pushing a universe back. The art shows Cap acting directly on the planet. In the same way, by holding the Earth’s apart, Hyperion literally holds two universes apart. Reed compares the approaching Earth to an island in the sense that the visible Earth is the island and the remaining universe is the submerged land connected to it. There is no reason this does not apply to Hyperion’s feat.
The Earth’s don’t move on their own. They move as part of the moving universe. Hyperion holds them apart for a short time but the pressure of the universes behind them eventually causes them to crumble. So Hyperion doesn’t fail, the Earths’ fail. Once they crumble, the universes are then able to complete moving toward each other and colliding. That is clearly the writer’s intention.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
If two planets can collide and cause a reverberation that destroys two universes, why can’t a planet withstand the force of an entire universe for a short time?In comicbooks, a planet can resist the force of a universe for a short time as shown. Don’t try to inject real world physics or logic. The Earths of two universes serve as the collision points of each universe. When these Earths collide, that means the universes collide which is why there is enough force for both universes to be destroyed. During one incursion, Reed explains that by pushing the planet back, Cap is literally pushing a universe back. The art shows Cap acting directly on the planet. In the same way, by holding the Earth’s apart, Hyperion literally holds two universes apart. Reed compares the approaching Earth to an island in the sense that the visible Earth is the island and the remaining universe is the submerged land connected to it. There is no reason this does not apply to Hyperion’s feat.
The Earth’s don’t move on their own. They move as part of the moving universe. Hyperion holds them apart for a short time but the pressure of the universes behind them eventually causes them to crumble. So Hyperion doesn’t fail, the Earths’ fail. Once they crumble, the universes are then able to complete moving toward each other and colliding. That is clearly the writer’s intention.
Ohoh, writer's intent now eh?
So how fast is Doomsday?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So no dimension of time.Returning to my example, I hold them (the balloons) apart until they pop...
Am I holding the cars apart? Nowhere does it say how long, just that I held them until the balloons popped.
What are you actually talking about here? And no your "analogy" is wrong
YOU held two ballons which had the forces of the cars acting on them. meaning as the ballons are attached to the cars .. THE Cars and ballons are one unit.
eg.
JUST like Car tires .. The ground is able to hold the force (weight) of the car that is acting through tires. IF the car it too heavy for the tires.. THEY'LL pop, BUT if the ground is weak (say muddy) the car along with tires will exert too much force on the ground therefore sinking the car.
IN THAT SCENARIO the ground is Hyperion... holding off car tires (planets) .. the Car (universes) exerts too much force on Tires (planets) .. so the tires pop (planets crumble)
COMMON sense. cut it out
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
What are you actually talking about here? And no your "analogy" is wrongYOU held two ballons which had the forces of the cars acting on them. meaning as the ballons are attached to the cars .. THE Cars and ballons are one unit.
eg.
JUST like Car tires .. The ground is able to hold the force (weight) of the car that is acting through tires. IF the car it too heavy for the tires.. THEY'LL pop, BUT if the ground is weak (say muddy) the car along with tires will exert too much force on the ground therefore sinking the car.IN THAT SCENARIO the ground is Hyperion... holding off car tires (planets) .. the Car (universes) exerts too much force on Tires (planets) .. so the tires pop (planets crumble)
COMMON sense. cut it out
Your "common sense" is wrong, as your forces are acting in different directions - I can tell you never actually did physics.
So in the example, your answer is yes, I am indeed holding two cars apart, when someone says "DarkSaint held the balloons apart until they popped"?
Even if that timeframe is like a milisecond? Lmao.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Your "common sense" is wrong, as your forces are acting in different directions - I can tell you never actually did physics.So in the example, your answer is yes, I am indeed holding two cars apart, when someone says "DarkSaint held the balloons apart until they popped"?
Even if that timeframe is like a milisecond? Lmao.
the force acting on a different direction is you
If you holding the balloons apart stops the momentum of the cars then yes. If the cars stop even for a milisecond then you held them apart for a milisecond.
hell I'd even give you credit if you slowed the motion of the cars to any noticeable degree
A millisecond is STILL TIME and on that time (no matter how negligible that time is) .. the forces still apply to the nearest numeracy.
Common sense, learn it.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Imagine leaving CONTEXT out lmao
the incursion points of the cars are the balloons, imagine there's a trigger in the balloon, if the balloons pop due to collision, the cars get destroyed as well.
did you hold 2 cars or 2 balloons
now replace cars with universes, balloons with planets
@Albert: Perfect.
So as per you, I can stop.....two fighter jets speeding at each other lmao.
Because there will be a unit of time (nano, Pico, atto, femtosecond) where I stop their motion.
We can scale it up. Two planets colliding, focussed on a single point with two balloons attached lol. For a infinitesimally small unit of time, I will stop it because that's exactly how forces and momentum works.
Iow, I am literally as strong as Hyperion lmao
Great common sense
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Your "common sense" is wrong, as your forces are acting in different directions - I can tell you never actually did physics.So in the example, your answer is yes, I am indeed holding two cars apart, when someone says "DarkSaint held the balloons apart until they popped"?
Even if that timeframe is like a milisecond? Lmao.
We're not talking about milliseconds. We are talking about a perceptual period if time.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
@Albert: Perfect.So as per you, I can stop.....two fighter jets speeding at each other lmao.
Because there will be a unit of time (nano, Pico, atto, femtosecond) where I stop their motion.
We can scale it up. Two planets colliding, focussed on a single point with two balloons attached lol. For a infinitesimally small unit of time, I will stop it because that's exactly how forces and momentum works.
Iow, I am literally as strong as Hyperion lmao
Great common sense
What are you on about? 😂
IF you can stop there motion. If their motion remains relatively unchanged by you (whatever change caused by bumping into your body isnt enough lol) then you havent done anything.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
the force acting on a different direction is youIf you holding the balloons apart stops the momentum of the cars then yes. If the cars stop even for a milisecond then you held them apart for a milisecond.
hell I'd even give you credit if you slowed the motion of the cars to any noticeable degree
A millisecond is STILL TIME and on that time (no matter how negligible that time is) .. the forces still apply to the nearest numeracy.
Common sense, learn it.
Nice sig AlbertoJohnAvil. 👆