Deadpool vs Ozymandias w. stips

Originally posted by h1a8
I didnt claim Cable used that version. I said he could have. Unless you have proof that he didn't (I'll accept it with no problem).

He doesn't have to prove your fanfiction wrong, you have to prove it's right. otherwise it's not valid for debate purposes.

Besides, the gun Cable uses is CLEARLY a PPQ Q5 Match, NOT the .45ACP version:

Note the barrel. Compare it to the .45ACP barrel I posted on the previous page.

This is the 45:

This is the Q5 Match with 9mm ordnance:

So, back to my original point. Deadpool performed his 'comparable' bullet feat (let's ignore the argument of slicing a bullet in half vs catching it) with a bullet that was ~100metres/second faster, or ~36% faster.

Now, you can argue bullet loads all day long. Let's lowball and halve it - Wade is still 15-18% faster. That's not slightly, that's significantly faster.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Besides, the gun Cable uses is CLEARLY a PPQ Q5 Match, NOT the .45ACP version:

Note the barrel. Compare it to the .45ACP barrel I posted on the previous page.

This is the 45:

This is the Q5 Match with 9mm ordnance:

Huh, I didn't even pay that much detail to that. Nice catch. I should have noticed, to be honest. I used to use a PPQ gun mod when I played Fallout 4 a lot.

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And contrast Ozy catching his bullet, with:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
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And contrast Ozy catching his bullet, with:

You know what's stupid? Nothing is frozen in that scene. You actually see the vehicle move a good distance while the bullet is traveling.

Indeed.

Doesn't change the fact he's not using .45 rounds, as the gun model he uses only take 9mm.

Edit: h1, I know full well what you're trying to do. Fact is, Cable's gun and Laurie's gun aren't comparable. My initial point still stands

Also Deadpool was a lot closer to Cable than Ozy was to Silk. So the faster bullet had less time to travel, which means Deadpool had a far more impressive feat done in less time and with less space to move.

Originally posted by h1a8
You know what's stupid? Nothing is frozen in that scene. You actually see the vehicle move a good distance while the bullet is traveling.

See, more dishonest attempts at lowballing DP's feat. Why are you so dishonest?

Originally posted by h1a8
That's faulty logic. We don't know what type of bullet Cable was using. Using an average would still be speculation. When someone makes a claim (Silent) then they should always lowball the numbers in order to prove without a doubt their claim.

Also, an average should not necessarily have equal weight to each bullet but be based on the relative frequency of which bullet is used more for that particular gun. For example, 90% of the time bullet X is shot from that gun, etc.

We know it was the 9mm, as that is the model of gun he is using.

So, note the ranges of muzzle velocities across the two Q5 models...

Source: https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2019/3/11/tested-walther-q5-match-9-mm-pistols/

The revolver Silk Spectre fires? 950 fps (source:https://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/pistol/M10.html)

So would you agree my logic is now sound?

H1 will never agree with logic or facts that dont perfectly follow his own self-made narrative.

DP could one-sidedly thrash Ozy in a marvel/Watchmen crossover and he'd say Ozy got downplayed for the movie.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Besides, the gun Cable uses is CLEARLY a PPQ Q5 Match, NOT the .45ACP version:

Note the barrel. Compare it to the .45ACP barrel I posted on the previous page.

This is the 45:

This is the Q5 Match with 9mm ordnance:

So, back to my original point. Deadpool performed his 'comparable' bullet feat (let's ignore the argument of slicing a bullet in half vs catching it) with a bullet that was ~100metres/second faster, or ~36% faster.

Now, you can argue bullet loads all day long. Let's lowball and halve it - Wade is still 15-18% faster. That's not slightly, that's significantly faster.

Ok. Let's take off the kid's gloves. Let's say DP is 20% faster.
What does that mean? It means that when DP moves his arm 12 inches then Ozy could move his arm 10 inches in the same amount of time. Is that way faster? Can Ozy still manage to block or dodge or parry DP? Of course.
A punch usually travels about 3ft. If Ozy manages to move his hand 2ft (while starting from the guard position ) then he can block DP easily.

Hmmmm nah.

I've provided the table of bullet speeds across a variety of different bullets. Lowest difference is 30%, highest is 37%.

So let's take 30%, not 20%.

Your logic is also backwards.

When Ozy has moved 10 inches, DP has already moved 13....but more importantly, this isn't travel speed.

It's reflex.

So when he see Ozy has moved his arm, DP can counter and move accordingly, just like how he moved his sword to intercept the bullet. DP isn't a bullet - he can change direction and angle of attack as and when he processes new information.

If his brain is fast enough to process that a bullet is traveling at trajectory A, then intercept and slice in half with a thin piece of metal with his muscles, then Ozy's fist moving to parry his initial punch would be easily got round.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hmmmm nah.

I've provided the table of bullet speeds across a variety of different bullets. Lowest difference is 30%, highest is 37%.

So let's take 30%, not 20%.

Your logic is also backwards.

When Ozy has moved 10 inches, DP has already moved 13....but more importantly, this isn't travel speed.

It's reflex.

So when he see Ozy has moved his arm, DP can counter and move accordingly, just like how he moved his sword to intercept the bullet. DP isn't a bullet - he can change direction and angle of attack as and when he processes new information.

If his brain is fast enough to process that a bullet is traveling at trajectory A, then intercept and slice in half with a thin piece of metal with his muscles, then Ozy's fist moving to parry his initial punch would be easily got round.

Ill finish reading this post a little later though.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hmmmm nah.

I've provided the table of bullet speeds across a variety of different bullets. Lowest difference is 30%, highest is 37%.

So let's take 30%, not 20%.

Your logic is also backwards.

When Ozy has moved 10 inches, DP has already moved 13....but more importantly, this isn't travel speed.

It's reflex.

So when he see Ozy has moved his arm, DP can counter and move accordingly, just like how he moved his sword to intercept the bullet. DP isn't a bullet - he can change direction and angle of attack as and when he processes new information.

If his brain is fast enough to process that a bullet is traveling at trajectory A, then intercept and slice in half with a thin piece of metal with his muscles, then Ozy's fist moving to parry his initial punch would be easily got round.

A punch thrown IS A bullet. No one can significantly change or alter their Full speed punches midway throw the swing. Once a full strength momentum is achieved then you can't significantly alter it. DP used a single swiping motion to slice the bullet. If the bullet would have changed directions all of a sudden then DP would be helpless in stopping his arm motion in time to get back on the bullet.

Clearly you've never seen a fight in your life. As you don't seem to know about feints, or that plenty of pro-fighters can alter punches as well as kicks mid-attack. Being able to alter your attack as you're making it is essential in a fight.

Also as usual you're making up h1 science that doesn't apply anywhere but in your own head.

Originally posted by KingD19
Clearly you've never seen a fight in your life. As you don't seem to know about feints, or that plenty of pro-fighters can alter punches as well as kicks mid-attack. Being able to alter your attack as you're making it is essential in a fight.

Also as usual you're making up h1 science that doesn't apply anywhere but in your own head.

Learn to read. I stated full speed punches, not feints. Full speed punches are created by using the majority of your strength, not a small fraction of it.

Originally posted by h1a8
I wasn't talking about travel speed. I was referring to arm movement speed.

A punch thrown IS A bullet. No one can significantly change or alter their Full speed punches midway throw the swing. Once a full strength momentum is achieved then you can't significantly alter it. DP used a single swiping motion to slice the bullet. If the bullet would have changed directions all of a sudden then DP would be helpless in stopping his arm motion in time to get back on the bullet.

You can when you're at least 30% faster than your opponent. The bullet changing direction is completely besides the point, as Ozymandias isn't travelling at that speed.

My point is not only is Wade 30% faster in his limb movements, but also faster in his perceptions and reflexes.

You need to almost forget that it's 30% faster, and remember that he's moving 100 meters per second faster.

Originally posted by h1a8
But you gave me 18%. Are you doing take backs now lol?

Ill finish reading this post a little later though.

That was before I found and reread the bullet table (which I am sure you saw too, and had you been honest with your intentions you too would have updated your speed).

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You can when you're at least 30% faster than your opponent. The bullet changing direction is completely besides the point, as Ozymandias isn't travelling at that speed.

My point is not only is Wade 30% faster in his limb movements, but also faster in his perceptions and reflexes.

You need to almost forget that it's 30% faster, and remember that he's moving 100 meters per second faster.

30% faster is insignificant.
Remember Ozy is a counter attacker. He will wait for DP to strike.
DP superior reflexes are irrelevant to that situation.
A defender can be 30% slower and still easily be able to block, parry, dodge attacks.

Here's the math.
When DP arm moves 24inches then Ozy arm would have moved at least 18in. Moving 100mps faster is nothing when both are moving within 30% of each other.

Theres that h1 math again.