Deadpool vs Ozymandias w. stips

Originally posted by h1a8
You need to learn what a strawman is. My statement has nothing to do with the thread but your intentions. You obviously believe that this fight isn't competitive and DP wins every time.

No, my point is to prove how people debate here. You can weasel and try to con your way into arguing against it but we both know the truth.

Anyway both are comparable in speed by visual h2h fight scenes and by bullet feats. DP could be slightly faster though. But since Ozy is arguably slightly more skilled and primarily counter attacks (usually don't attack first) then he would have the advantage.

I know exactly what a strawman is. You trying to act like SM saying he believes DP is faster via feats = SM believing I made an intentional spite thread.

And no. At no point have I even backed a side. What I have done is call you out on questionable shit you posted, like acting like Ozy actually has the speed advantage and attributing him the win solely on the notion of being a "counter-fighter", as well as acting like others were basing Deadpool's speed off of one feat when they weren't. That is not the same as backing Deadpool for the win.

So, once again, as I said, are you trying to attribute other people's intentions, beliefs and statements to me in an attempt to smear me, just like I said. And this hardly the first time you've done this. It's your standard deflection tactic, because you are the actual weasel and everyone here knows it.

Originally posted by h1a8
You need to learn what a strawman is. My statement has nothing to do with the thread but your intentions. You obviously believe that this fight isn't competitive and DP wins every time.

No, my point is to prove how people debate here. You can weasel and try to con your way into arguing against it but we both know the truth.

Anyway both are comparable in speed by visual h2h fight scenes and by bullet feats. DP could be slightly faster though. But since Ozy is arguably slightly more skilled and primarily counter attacks (usually don't attack first) then he would have the advantage.

The bullets they face are different though.

Deadpool's are faster.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I know exactly what a strawman is. You trying to act like SM saying he believes DP is faster via feats = SM believing I made an intentional spite thread.

And no. At no point have I even backed a side. What I have done is call you out on questionable shit you posted, like acting like Ozy actually has the speed advantage and attributing him the win solely on the notion of being a "counter-fighter", as well as acting like others were basing Deadpool's speed off of one feat when they weren't. That is not the same as backing Deadpool for the win.

So, once again, as I said, are you trying to attribute other people's intentions, beliefs and statements to me in an attempt to smear me, just like I said. And this hardly the first time you've done this. It's your standard deflection tactic, because you are the actual weasel and everyone here knows it.

And you are either dumb or a pure troll. Nowhere I claimed that Ozy was faster. I even hinted that DP is slightly faster. My argument was that you don't need to defend with the same speed as the attack (implying DP is faster). Defense requires a fraction of the speed as the attack.

My argument is that since Ozy is primarily a counter attacker (he doesn't usually attack first) then he would have the advantage.

But instead of arguing against that point you would rather troll and create arguments I never made.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Wrong, DP is cearly faster by both visual and implied speed. by feats DP is also more skilled

Saying something that isn't true doesn't make it true.
But again, no one is arguing that DP isn't faster. The argument is that he's not significantly faster.

He is though.

They have comparable feats (as you say).

Except DPs feat involves a bullet that's travelling 100metres per second faster than Ozy's.

So he's significantly faster.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The bullets they face are different though.

Deadpool's are faster.

You didn't read all my posts. I hinted that DP was slightly faster a long time ago.

Originally posted by h1a8
Saying something that isn't true doesn't make it true.

Then stop doing it.

Originally posted by h1a8
You didn't read all my posts. I hinted that DP was slightly faster a long time ago.

Hinted but not explicitly said.

And he's not slightly, when the bullet feat he performed that was comparable is with a bullet 36% faster.

That's not 'slightly', that's significantly faster.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hinted but not explicitly said.

And he's not slightly, when the bullet feat he performed that was comparable is with a bullet 36% faster.

That's not 'slightly', that's significantly faster.

The speed of the bullet depends mostly on the bullet. The speed could be 341mps or slower(as low as 255m/s for a certain 45 acp round). So not necessarily 100mps faster.

Originally posted by h1a8
The speed of the bullet depends mostly on the bullet. The speed could be 341mps or slower. So not necessarily 100mps faster.

The websites I gave all had a range of bullet speeds. I used the averages.

So agreed, it could be even faster. But that is what averages are for.

Got a source for the 255m/s figure?

Originally posted by h1a8
The speed of the bullet depends mostly on the bullet. The speed could be 341mps or slower. So not necessarily 100mps faster.

I notice that you're saying the bullets in DP's feats might have been lower than the listed speed, but you don't say the same about the bullet in Ozy's feat.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I notice that you're saying the bullets in DP's feats might have been lower than the listed speed, but you don't say the same about the bullet in Ozy's feat.

I don't need to as it would be irrelevant to my point (which is DP bullet is not necessarily 100mps faster).

Originally posted by h1a8
I don't need to as it would be irrelevant to my point (which is DP bullet is not necessarily 100mps faster).

But your point is based on a random .45acp round.

I gave ranges for the Walther PPQ, the one whose bullet Wade sliced in half.

And those were all significantly faster. Does the Walther take .45acp rounds?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The websites I gave all had a range of bullet speeds. I used the averages.

So agreed, it could be even faster. But that is what averages are for.

Got a source for the 255m/s figure?

That's faulty logic. We don't know what type of bullet Cable was using. Using an average would still be speculation. When someone makes a claim (Silent) then they should always lowball the numbers in order to prove without a doubt their claim.

Also, an average should not necessarily have equal weight to each bullet but be based on the relative frequency of which bullet is used more for that particular gun. For example, 90% of the time bullet X is shot from that gun, etc.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But your point is based on a random .45acp round.

I gave ranges for the Walther PPQ, the one whose bullet Wade sliced in half.

And those were all significantly faster. Does the Walther take .45acp rounds?

They have a 45 acp version.

Originally posted by h1a8
They have a 45 acp version.

Which can easily be proven if Cable is using them.

They have the number '45' clearly stamped on the side. As you assert that it is the 45 version he is using, care to prove it?

Originally posted by h1a8
I don't need to as it would be irrelevant to my point (which is DP bullet is not necessarily 100mps faster).

Of course it's relevant, if you're going to take the lowest possible speed for one, it's only fair to do the same for the other.

Unless of course, you're being dishonest and trying to minimize the difference in their speed. is that what you're doing, being dishonest?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Of course it's relevant, if you're going to take the lowest possible speed for one, it's only fair to do the same for the other.

Unless of course, you're being dishonest and trying to minimize the difference in their speed. is that what you're doing, being dishonest?

My point was to show a possibility where the claim is false, nothing more. I wasn't claiming the actual speed of any of the bullets since we don't know.

If it helps you then on one extreme Ozy is slightly faster and on the other DP is significantly faster. But we don't know for sure.
Unless we rule out the bullet feats and go by visual speed.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Which can easily be proven if Cable is using them.

They have the number '45' clearly stamped on the side. As you assert that it is the 45 version he is using, care to prove it?

I didnt claim Cable used that version. I said he could have. Unless you have proof that he didn't (I'll accept it with no problem).

Originally posted by h1a8
My point was to show a possibility where the claim is false, nothing more. I wasn't claiming the actual speed of any of the bullets since we don't know.

If it helps you then on one extreme Ozy is slightly faster and on the other DP is significantly faster. But we don't know for sure.
Unless we rule out the bullet feats and go by visual speed.

Your point was to dishonestly downplay DP's speed so that you could claim the difference wasn't significant.

Visual speed puts DP as noticeably faster

Btw just so you know...

The .45 ACP version of the Walther has a higher muzzle velocity than the 'standard' version.

Just putting it out there.