MCU Hela vs DCEU Superman

Originally posted by heru
Where talking about Hela durability, not Thors. I'm sure the blast wouldn't have done anything to slow her down.

Superman is the poster boy for strength, but he's not even close to strongest characters out there. Hela not known for her physical strength, but clearly outclass Thor by a land slide, she's also not known for her speed, but still posses god like speed. Besides tagging Superman shouldn't be that hard, his speed did nothing for him to save his life fighting Doomsday, and before you jump on Doomsday being as fast as Superman train. Doomsday shown very little speed feats in the third movie. To think Superman would fight her, and she wouldn't be able to hit him, with all the fighting experiene she has, powers she possess, durabilty, and immortality, is just down right ludacris.

Grabs popcorn.

Originally posted by NemeBro
The Motherboxes pack enough energy to terraform planets, per the movie, which is more energy than Thor has ever endured (yes, even when he survived a star's energy). 🙂

He's also shifted tectonic plates and overpowered a beam that displaced millions of tons of water that was terraforming the Earth while weakened. Superman is at least strong enough to hurt Hela, and is so much faster that she will never be able to hit anything resembling a lethal blow if Superman doesn't want her to. 👆

The only problem is Hela's immortality, so stalemate maybe, at best, after Hela gets tired of getting pinballed across the planet and Superman gets tired of beating the shit out of a woman. 👆

Superman is the poster boy for strength, but he's not even close to strongest characters out there. Hela not known for her physical strength, but clearly outclass Thor by a land slide, she's also not known for her speed, but still posses god like speed. Besides tagging Superman shouldn't be that hard, his speed did nothing for him to save his life fighting Doomsday, and before you jump on Doomsday being as fast as Superman train. Doomsday shown very little speed feats in the third movie. To think Superman would fight her, and she wouldn't be able to hit him, with all the fighting experiene she has, powers she possess, durabilty, and immortality, is just down right ludacris.

Originally posted by heru
Where talking about Hela durability, not Thors. I'm sure the blast would'nt have done anything to slow her down.

Superman is the poster boy for strength, but he's not even close to strongest characters out there. Hela not known for her physical strength, but clearly outclass Thor by a land slide, she's also not known for her speed, but still posses god like speed. Besides tagging Superman shouldn't be that hard, his speed did nothing for him to save his life fighting Doomsday, and before you jump on Doomsday being as fast as Superman train. Doomsday shown very little speed feats in the third movie. To think Superman would fight her, and she wouldn't be able to hit him, with all the fighting experiene she has, powers she possess, durabilty, and immortality, is just down right ludacris.

Anyway, Superman doesn't have to be the strongest out there to be stronger than Hela, which he probably is. 🙂 And no, she's stronger than Thor, but not by so much that he can't stand his ground against her.

And as for durability? Hela is cut by normal shitty Asgardians:

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2:20

A particularly strong Asgardian is able to push a bus with a kick, but that's nothing compared to even Aquaman, much less Superman. 🙂

She's at the same general baseline speed of almost every MCU superhuman, which is to say slow enough that Quicksilver makes them look like they're walking through molasses.

Superman is much faster than Quicksilver, as seen when he made Diana look like a statue:

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2:13.

Diana herself having too many bullet timing feats to count and even having lightning timing feats:

Doomsday doesn't discount all his other speed showings. He's either faster in Justice League, or they just chose to depict his speed differently in JL, because even in MoS he is fighting at speeds beyond sonic:

Originally posted by NemeBro
https://www.awn.com/vfxworld/making-superman-fly-again-man-steel

"In addition to superhero speed they would throw punches that would minimally break the sound barrier so there would be shock waves. At the same time, they didn't want to lose the force of the punches completely in motion blur (except as a gag with Zod's partner, Faora). They added effects to it by putting mock cones on the forearms, shockwave effects when they hit blows as visual cues."

https://www.artofvfx.com/man-of-steel-guillaume-rocheron-vfx-supervisor-mpc/

Second source no longer exists, but the screencap still does.

https://i.imgur.com/2X88RM0.png

Zod and Clark were trading punches that broke the sound barrier in Man of Steel. Which makes sense, since we know in the film Superman has the reaction-time to maneuver in-between building while flying those speeds without crashing as seen in that very fight.

The lowballing from the people supporting MCU characters will never stop though. Which I guess is only fair, because h1 will never stop his own lowballing either. 👆

Superman wins or gets tired of beating up a woman who can't land a single hit if he doesn't let her and calls it a draw. 👆

Originally posted by NemeBro
Buddy, did I pump and dump you or something? Why did you send this shit three times like some needy middle aged woman whose boyfriend is cheating on her with her daughter?

Anyway, Superman doesn't have to be the strongest out there to be stronger than Hela, which he probably is. 🙂 And no, she's stronger than Thor, but not by so much that he can't stand his ground against her.

And as for durability? Hela is cut by normal shitty Asgardians:

YouTube video

2:20

A particularly strong Asgardian is able to push a bus with a kick, but that's nothing compared to even Aquaman, much less Superman. 🙂

She's at the same general baseline speed of almost every MCU superhuman, which is to say slow enough that Quicksilver makes them look like they're walking through molasses.

Superman is much faster than Quicksilver, as seen when he made Diana look like a statue:

YouTube video

2:13.

Diana herself having too many bullet timing feats to count and even having lightning timing feats:

Doomsday doesn't discount all his other speed showings. He's either faster in Justice League, or they just chose to depict his speed differently in JL, because even in MoS he is fighting at speeds beyond sonic:

Superman wins or gets tired of beating up a woman who can't land a single hit if he doesn't let her and calls it a draw. 👆

Hela was impailed by a sword not once but twice, but it did nothing. Superman died when he got impailed. So it's safe to say durablity goes to her. As far as Thor holding his own. Thor did very little to hold his own against her. Everyone was getting there ass handed to them, which is why they had to call on an Odin villian to take her down.
Folks are always going towards Superman speed to win fights, as if it's the ultimate trump card. Sorry dude it's not. In terms of fighting Superman is not the better fighter between the two. His speed would only go so far before she figure him out. He's not going to KO her with a punch, or grab her, and throw her in the sun or space before she can react.. Lol. She's to strong for that. So what could he possibly do to stop her, before he get a ass full of splinters, and die from his injuries for the second time.

Keep in mind, Hela was never been shown dead in the movie. Being stop, and death are two different things. So if Satur wasn't able to kill her Superman won't be able to do nothing. I'm sure we'll find out if she's dead in the next few Marvel movies. But be as it may Hela is way to powerful for the Alien from Krypton. If Doomsday is capable of killing Superman, then Hela is going to rape him long sword style... Lol

Originally posted by heru
Where talking about Hela durability, not Thors. I'm sure the blast would've done anything to slow her down.

Superman is the poster boy for strength, but he's not even close to strongest characters out there. Hela not known for her physical strength, but clearly outclass Thor by a land slide, she's also not known for her speed, but still posses god like speed. Besides tagging Superman shouldn't be that hard, his speed did nothing for him to save his life fighting Doomsday, and before you jump on Doomsday being as fast as Superman train. Doomsday shown very little speed feats in the third movie. To think Superman would fight her, and she wouldn't be able to hit him, with all the fighting experiene she has, powers she possess, durabilty, and immortality, is just down right ludacris.

To be fair, if Superman is playing defense, she absolutely will not be able to hit him. His speed is ridiculous. His fighting skill and thinking that she will be done is how she is going to land a hit.

Without her HF, Clark should win quite handily. And this is not directed at you but Marvel fans have a real big problem of coming to reality on how massive an advantage speed is. And I mean massive. When people say statue, that's literally what they mean. But Clark has been hit by slower and he does not run around superspeeding all the time.

I haven't even read the next page and I'm wanting to change my stance because it is a pretty big deal (speed). I just don't see how he overcomes that HF and she will eventually get ahold of him and wear him down. And her skill is enough that she will use the blades to corrall him into a certain direction with blade spam.

And for the record, I do think her blades will cut him, but nothing like they did to Thor, I honestly doubt they will cut him very deeply, they will be used mainly for distraction and bleeding him out. Albeit slowly. His hardline durability is one of the best out there. I would even argue that him and Mjolnir,Caps shield are probably pretty damn close durability wise.

There is only 4 MCU beings I see being able to physically injure Superman.

Thor w/Stormbreaker, Thanos w/sword, Kurse and Hela are the only two that I think could do it with hands

I disagree that her HF is infinitely fast. I believe that if a character can be damaged to a certain extent before they heal then they will die. Superman can possibly catch one of her blades and slice a limb off (after a lengthy battle where he sees that she has a HF). Or just continue to add more damage faster than her healing rate to win.

Put it this way.

Clark figured out pretty quickly how to deal with WW and Flash. Saying he's an idiot in fighting is at odds with how he dealt with the JL after meeting them for the very first time.

WW tried her bracelet trick with him. Second time she tried, he stopped her.

Yea, the JL jobbed pretty hard in that movie.

Or Superman was that fast in comparison to the others.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Put it this way.

Clark figured out pretty quickly how to deal with WW and Flash. Saying he's an idiot in fighting is at odds with how he dealt with the JL after meeting them for the very first time.

WW tried her bracelet trick with him. Second time she tried, he stopped her.

He defeated then by simply being stronger or faster than them. He didn't need to "figure out" anything, not when he was so much more physically superior.

Yet he figured out that WWs main attack was her bracers smashing together.

And figured out that Flash was trying to run rings around him.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Or Superman was that fast in comparison to the others.

I stand corrected, technically they weren't jobbed, Superman was just turned into a Gary Stu.

Basically. Makes it true to comics at least

It's one of the reasons I dislike Wolverine and don't care about comic Superman or Batman either, I'm not a big fan of Mary/Gary stu's.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
To be fair, if Superman is playing defense, she absolutely will not be able to hit him. His speed is ridiculous. His fighting skill and thinking that she will be done is how she is going to land a hit.

Without her HF, Clark should win quite handily. And this is not directed at you but Marvel fans have a real big problem of coming to reality on how massive an advantage speed is. And I mean massive. When people say statue, that's literally what they mean. But Clark has been hit by slower and he does not run around superspeeding all the time.

I haven't even read the next page and I'm wanting to change my stance because it is a pretty big deal (speed). I just don't see how he overcomes that HF and she will eventually get ahold of him and wear him down. And her skill is enough that she will use the blades to corrall him into a certain direction with blade spam.

And for the record, I do think her blades will cut him, but nothing like they did to Thor, I honestly doubt they will cut him very deeply, they will be used mainly for distraction and bleeding him out. Albeit slowly. His hardline durability is one of the best out there. I would even argue that him and Mjolnir,Caps shield are probably pretty damn close durability wise.

There is only 4 MCU beings I see being able to physically injure Superman.

Thor w/Stormbreaker, Thanos w/sword, Kurse and Hela are the only two that I think could do it with hands

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yet he figured out that WWs main attack was her bracers smashing together.

And figured out that Flash was trying to run rings around him.

Doesn't take a genius to figure that out dude.

Never said it made him a genius?

I'm saying he's not an idiot.

Originally posted by heru
Speed is a great attribute to have, but it can be beat. If that's the case characters known for speed should never loose a fight when fighting people less then they are. Skill beats speed, and Hela has thousands of years of it over Superman. She's been fighting beings on a cosmic level long before Clark was in existence. If it took a Sky father level villain to take her down. An alien with super speed, and strength has little chance to do so. Once again Doomsday murdered him, and all he brought was brute force, to the fight, with very little intellect other than destruction. Hela will decapitate Clark, and send his head to his mother. You forgot to mention Sutur and Odin as being one of those beings to injure Superman as well. I would of said Hulk, but his MCU showings have been down played.

If a slower character beats a faster character, it's down to plot, i.e. PIS.