Darth Maul vs Kylo Ren

Who will win in the following :

*Canon 1. Light saber duel
2. Both use force powers and abilities

*Legends 1. Light saber duel
2. Both use force powers and abilities

Going with Maul on canon don't know about Legends.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Going with Maul on canon don't know about Legends.

Legends is far worse for Kylo.

Maul gets stomped in force
No idea about sabers given his general incompetence

Maul loses in a force contest but wrecks him in a duel.

Kylo wins in a tough fight

Close fight sabers only, but Kylo stomps all out

Kylo wasn't capable of overhelming a Praetorian Guards with his Force powers. Being unarmed, he was trashed by clowns of ren. He needed a lightsaber to stomp them.

It's impossible to describe how badly Maul stomps this trash.

Oh yeah? Maul struggled against Pre Vizla, pirates, and a dog. **** outa here with that lowballing sh¡t 😂

Yeah Maul loses this one

@ xPRIMEx i thought Maul did well against Pre Viszla he tanked a few grenades but Viszla sort of had tech in this favour which seemed to deceive Maul .. Maul defeated him without using force powers etc not bad i guess ..

@xPRIMEx

I'm not lowballing him. His "feats" does.

Originally posted by McP
@xPRIMEx

I'm not lowballing him. His "feats" does.

Originally posted by xPRIMEx
Stomping the knights of Ren>struggling against pirates and a dog

Cool sorry excuse my ignorance how powerful are the knights of Ren considered or tier wise etc ?

Maul mauls him

Kylo's force powers are greater, but I still don't know where to put him in sabers.

Originally posted by xPRIMEx
Stomping the knights of Ren>struggling against pirates and a dog

That dog would eat all of clowns of ren alive. They were inferior even to those loosers, patethician guards (or were they called pretorians with no guards? smth like that). Nothing comperable to IG MGds tbh.

No, it wouldn’t. And no, the RoS novelization states that the Emperor’s guards Rey fights are more formidable than the praetorian guards from TLJ. One of the same guards that Kylo easily takes out with the force. And the KoR were paralleled by them so I think it’s fair to say that the KoR are superior to the praetorian guards as well.

Kylo is ~30 y/o by the time of the ST, he began his training at 14 y/o I believe. With 16 years of training and the potential of his bloodline, he scales far beyond Maul. Luke was Vader level after what, 4 years of training?
There is no reason to believe otherwise. The only arguments I see are because Rey beat him in TFA and because he was challenged by the praetorian guards. However it’s explained that Rey grew rapidly due to her dyad with Kylo, gaining some of his skills and power. Also the ROS novel states that if Kylo wasn’t injured, she never even would have stood a chance anyway. As for the praetorian guards, we have no idea how they would stack up against Maul or any other PT/OT characters, so you can’t use that as a means of scaling.

Originally posted by Eli Vanto
Kylo's force powers are greater, but I still don't know where to put him in sabers.

Kylo has quite a few feats/accolades that certainly indicate his Force power is superior, but his saber skill is what I'm unsure of. He's not some talentless feeb, but he also doesn't have many lightsaber showings to pull from.