Resident Evil 4 Remake

Originally posted by Nemesis X
"they did well in the limited time they used for it"

You just answered your own question. You shouldn't be rushing a game, especially one with fans waiting nearly twenty years for, just to make way for another remake you deem more important. How would RE4 fans feel if 5 was the more ambitious remake leaving 4 in a similar half-assed state? Alright, everyone, we're removing the castle, the village sections will be smaller, Krauser & Luis we'll be killing off way quicker, the salamander and the U-3 I felt were filler anyway.

I mean, sometimes setting your expectations helps avoid disappointment. When they announced RE3 remake to come out a year after 2, I didn't immediately expect it to be the best ever in terms of length or embellishment. For my part, seeing my favorite RE classic title upgraded to RE engine levels of detail was enough to make me happy.

I could nitpick. I could say I wish Nemmy was more random and brutal in the game, I could say give us back the clocktower (even though it was a filler level at best and short in the original) or the graveyard (again, more pointless filler that bored me in the original). I could complain about the lack of Mercs mode most, as I got a lot of mileage out of the original variant.

But at the end of the day, I got a pretty nice shiny, adrenaline fueled remake of a second tier game in the classic line up, with what I thought were good revamps of the hospital segment, the starting areas, and the sewer inclusion.

Yeah, I have to call bullshit on the less is more argument. If the RE4 remake were to miss anywhere as much stuff from the original as what 3 did, no one would be singing that tune. It would just confirm to everyone that Capcom doesnt respect us and just wants to make a quick buck.

There is more reason to be hopeful for this RE4 though, with 3 just being seen as a hiccup, but it didnt have to be that way.

Yeah, there is no way I'll be OK with just "seeing my favorite RE classic title upgraded to RE engine levels of detail". It needs to be up to snuff, and I will nitpick the living shit out of any shortcomings. RE4 needs to not get the RE3 treatment. RE2 was fantastic, but this remake needs a level of care even beyond it. I also definitely want the games length intact. RE4 is easily the longest game in the series with the exception of RE6. I want my 16 hours intact.

If they were going to make changes, 100% has to the island section of the game. Village and Castle are nearly flawless in execution.

The Island section is not so much. Way more enemies, less impressive setting and the final "war/heli" section is pretty ****ing tedious. That area is saved by the regenerators/iron maiden enemy types. Without those, it's just a generic action game.

If they can fix that part up and make it better, it would be a perfect action survival game. Not sure how...but I rather have the Mr.X stalker type in this part of the game than the village area (which doesn't need that shit)

I did like the part with Mike. They need to keep him.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Yeah, I have to call bullshit on the less is more argument. If the RE4 remake were to miss anywhere as much stuff from the original as what 3 did, no one would be singing that tune. It would just confirm to everyone that Capcom doesnt respect us and just wants to make a quick buck.

There is more reason to be hopeful for this RE4 though, with 3 just being seen as a hiccup, but it didnt have to be that way.

I'm not sure where a less is more argument was put forth. If you were referring to me, my point is that managing expectations helps from being super disappointed. RE3 Remake was a fun 5-6 hour run through a remake of a story that ultimately didn't add much to the overall RE lore and was originally just thrown out there by Capcom before the transition to the next gen systems at the time.

From my perspective, classic RE titles are too short to get worked up about. Every classic RE title can be beaten in less time than it takes to watch a LOTR movie, so complaining about length seems rather pointless. The RE3 Remake had great atmosphere in spades, some truly memorable scenes, and while Nemmy definitely could have been more RNG, it does seem to be a step up from the original in every way. What it couldn't have been was a step up from the RE2 Remake, which just blew everyone's minds a year before. That's setting a false expectation for yourself if you thought that much.

I really think a lot of people just were subconsciously holding it up to RE2 Remake instead of the original, and I find a lot of the complaints about cut areas to be a bit silly given that the areas which do exist in the game (some of which are completely new) are much better put together than the original's levels. And again, this is from my POV as someone who loved the original a lot. It's the first game I ever bought with my own money from my first job, and I played it to death. I knifed my way through it eventually after mastering the dodge mechanic. I'm not immune to nostalgia here.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Yeah, there is no way I'll be OK with just "seeing my favorite RE classic title upgraded to RE engine levels of detail". It needs to be up to snuff, and I will nitpick the living shit out of any shortcomings. RE4 needs to not get the RE3 treatment. RE2 was fantastic, but this remake needs a level of care even beyond it. I also definitely want the games length intact. RE4 is easily the longest game in the series with the exception of RE6. I want my 16 hours intact.

Okay, good for you. From my perspective, RE3 was never as popular as other titles in the series that got remakes (1, 2, and now 4) and I didn't ever expect it to happen until launch. Certainly not every title in the series will get this treatment. I don't think anyone is waiting with baited breath over the remake of Code Veronica.

Without drastically changing the story or adding more plot points to it, there's really nothing more that can be done with RE3 other than to make it a one and done quick romp through Raccoon City. Because that's what it was on PS1.

It would've benefited more to just wait for next gen systems (or what is current gen now rather) in the case of the RE3 remake, regardless. People would've happily waited in the event of it having more time in the oven and not so much corners cut.

No, I was not expecting the RE3make to top 2, when 2 was longer than 3 to begin with out of the originals. To be honest, I didn't mind the length of the RE3 remake the first time I played through it, after previously playing a much longer game and having one other game in my backlog to go through at the time, but after playing it more later to get the rest of the trophies, the otherwise lack of retention hurt the RE3 remake more than anything for me in the long run. I thought too that there would be eventual updates that would add in some things that was missing like Mercenaries, but nope. The updates only went to the online Resistance mode which hardly anyone played. I became more critical of RE3's length and amount of content after the fact since it wasn't gonna be supported with DLC. Mercenaries should've been a thing over that shit online mode to begin with.

I was and am holding the RE3 remake up to the original, and it just wasn't up to snuff for people. Even putting aside the cut areas, what about things like the choice mechanics the original RE3 had? That would've given the remake more replay variety too.

In what world is no one waiting for a Code Veronica remake? People had been talking about that, and there's even an attempted fan remake of it. Chronologically, it would've made sense to remake CV after 3, but they went with RE4 since it was more popular despite it aging better and being in less need of a remake; money talks and all that, but I'd be surprised if a CV remake didn't happen sometime after.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Remake Nemesis was toned down in response to how unforgiving remake Mr X was for players. I firmly believe that's what happened, but the amount of content from the original RE3 that was cut in the remake didn't help either.

Recurring stalker characters seems to be a main theme for every RE game now though, what with Mendez in the upcoming RE4. Just don't make them such a scripted pussy like remake Nemesis, and they should always be a good horror experience. There was Ustanak in RE6 too, granted, but he was similar in being highly scripted with how 6 was an action game. Remake Nemesis was more like Ustanak than he was like Mr X, which was kind of the problem...

While still on the topic, just gonna leave this here.

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First impressions from a game intro say a lot, and said intro gave a good idea right off as to how rushed RE3make was. When playing the 4 remake, pay attention to the intro, as it'll give a good idea of what you're gonna get.

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I don't think anyone can do Jill worse than this, even her in RE5 still had a semblance of her personality from the original games once the mind control wore off. Here she's an uppity, stoic badass taking shit from nobody. She's ready to kick ass and chew bubblegum! It diminishes the tension it already barely had (if any) when you're playing a character yelling at the monster to (and I quote it from the game) suck it.

Agreed. I actually used to like Jill as a character prior to RE3make (just another one of its many failures). After her RE3 version being straight up not her, I'd rather she never show up in the series again. The way she acted (especially towards Nemesis) was straight up cringe.

Also, I'm legit glad people collectively recognized RE3makes shortcomings and continue to sh*t on it. Trash game.

You have a point, but I would like to see her redeemed and when the RE5 Remake happens (I see no ifs after everything lately), she will be back whether we like it or not and it'd be cool I think if they made her the stalker enemy in that what with looking like a plague doctor.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
I did like the part with Mike. They need to keep him.

Oh for sure. I just feel that entire section is extremely tedious now. Maybe instead of 100s of enemies (or so it feels), Mike helps you with a stalker like enemy....

I just hope Saddler is a better final boss.

That fight was lame, IMO.

Rumor running rampant around the internet that apparently Krauser will be a no-show in the remake according to this leak. Click the boxes at your risk.

https://www.reddit.com/r/residentevil4/comments/ugfdz6/new_potential_rumoursspoilers_for_re4_remake_from/

Can't say this really surprises me if this is true, I saw something like this coming. I can get some seeing him representing the action half of RE4 and are glad to see him gone but he was still an overall fan favorite plus a part of Leon's lore during his days in the secret service. That mission in South America in Darkside Chronicles was so canon. You can keep pretending otherwise.

Interesting. The island sequences seems to change quite a bit...probably the worst part of the game.

I'm OK with changes. As long as they still sell the original game (and many versions of it)...I don't have a problem if they decided to re-work the game. Probably a good thing considering I have played the original at least 5 times...so changes are more than welcome.

But's that just me.

That entire leak is BS. There was no update to RE2 in May. Also, he says Leon has a new voice actor to to sound more like Paul from RE4, which is also BS since we know Nick from RE2 is returning. He also says it's getting released on all current gen consoles too, which isn't true. He also says Ashley wears jeans in the remake with her skirt being cut. She's wearing her skirt with stockings and boots. Salazar helping develop the tech for the plagas infection sounds dumb too. He's not a scientist like Saddler.

I'm not OK with the changes. Krauser needs to stay. Do a better job of introducing him if you want, but the reasoning for cutting him doesn't check out. He doesn't need prior appearances to be impactful. I'm tired of retarded redditors giving credence to stupid 4chan "leaks".

Given the previous remake's tendency to remove some things, this wouldn't surprise me too much, and although a fan favorite as mentioned, Krauser did represent the more action side of the original game, so can understand removing him in lieu of a more horror experience overall, but having really liked him, that still sucks if true and hoping it's not.

The lack of prior appearances was a criticism that some had always had with Krauser, who usually brushed off Darkside Chronicles as non-canon due to being a spinoff, but it did a perfect job establishing his past with Leon before 4, down to the arm and everything.

If they was to cut anything from the original RE4, I concede that Krauser makes the most sense since his whole character kind of came out of nowhere, but that randomness was also part of his charm you could argue.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
That entire leak is BS. There was no update to RE2 in May. Also, he says Leon has a new voice actor to to sound more like Paul from RE4, which is also BS since we know Nick from RE2 is returning. He also says it's getting released on all current gen consoles too, which isn't true. He also says Ashley wears jeans in the remake with her skirt being cut. She's wearing her skirt with stockings and boots. Salazar helping develop the tech for the plagas infection sounds dumb too. He's not a scientist like Saddler.

I'm not OK with the changes. Krauser needs to stay. Do a better job of introducing him if you want, but the reasoning for cutting him doesn't check out. He doesn't need prior appearances to be impactful. I'm tired of retarded redditors giving credence to stupid 4chan "leaks".

The change to how Ashley travels is dumb too. Instead of following you around, she teleports room to room? I'm getting Dead Rising 4 deja vu with how that game lazily handled it's npc escorts. Again, if it's true.

But what is confirmed now is the actor for Ada Wong in the RE2 Remake will not be returning for RE4. Her replacement is up in the air but the rumor a lot are talking about for who that might be is...erm....

https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLeaksAndRumours/comments/vehbwf/lily_gao_may_be_ada_wongs_performance_capture/

If anybody, I would've tried getting Li Bingbing who played Ada in Retribution to reprise the role. If you're gonna give a nod to an RE movie, how about to one of the few good ones.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
In what world is no one waiting for a Code Veronica remake?

Code Veronica occupies this weird space where it's enjoyed as a classic Resident Evil game, and the fandom generally likes it, but it also simultaneously sees a lot of shade thrown at it for being a weaker entry, for some reason.

The RE showcase is live in 2 hours. It's going to feature the RE8 xpac and RE4.

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Can't wait. I've been watching that first trailer basically on repeat since June. Today, we get gameplay! I'm hoping to see Dr. Salvador, Krauser, and a death or two (RE4 deaths were brutal and didn't hide it, the same way Dead Space does). Don't skimp out. I want to see Leon's head on the ground.

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****ing amazing. Leon is still a combat rolling/roundhouse kicking chad, and now he parries chainsaws with his knife.

Dr. Salvador is perfection. Poor man has lost a bit of muscle mass, but that's fine. I felt kind of robbed that they ended on the parry instead of the decapitation it all felt like it was building towards. Should have gone balls out.

My boy Salazar is back and intact! Large and in charge! Conniving and thriving! He's perfect!

Also, "Bill me for the repairs later." ****ing LMAO he still has his one liners! And now he casually drops them during gameplay depending on what you do. Amazing. Nick did good with his new version of Leons voice. Good evolution from RE2make. Fun fact: He took lessons from Paul Mercier to accurately translate OG Leons voice and swagger.

NuLuis looks like a creep and doesn't have his Dante style swave. Also not a fan of NuAdas voice or look (which is fine, since I've never been a fan of Ada; that said, OG RE4 Ada was the only interpretation that I somewhat liked)

This looks like it'll be a lot more faithful than I expected. Not as much of the horror tone as I was hoping for, but it's alright. I was good with either choice.