Name 5 mutants that can beat Flash w/ no PIS

Originally posted by carver9
Apocalypse

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Flash throws a table at him 👆

even Phil wouldn't argue poccy or magneto to beat flash, and he's their biggest fan

Originally posted by StyleTime
Even after the global retcon, the effects were still described as trans-temporal. It's unclear, but this might explain why Wanda dropped dead before reviving herself. I think some levels of power don't fully obey natural principles(moreso than normal comic book logic), even time or death.

That is a Phoenix-created clone body that it allowed to "die" here. It immediately went to merge with the real Jean afterwards. It winds up in Madelyne but it was never actually dead. Same way Magneto "killed" Jean/Phoenix but she really just ascended to go change the timeline.

You're talking about the PF living on after a host dies.

If Jean was killed, and the PF moved on, I'd consider that a forum win. Because Jean is the character, while PF is just a force of nature that empowers her.

Originally posted by MrMind

1. why do you think wanda is instantly dead after a shot through the chest here? you don't instantly die if you are shot through the chest. this gives her time to warp and undo the injury.
she would however be disintegrate to nothingness if she gets IMP'd couple hundred times in this battle, with her next to nothing durability or subpar reaction time

2. nobody is discussing white phoenix here. of course she can resurrect herself. you gotta prove she or other phoenix avatars have the durability to take the punches or has the reaction to doge, and it's not just Jean, the goalpost was talking about Scott so we discuss other avatars as well.
avatars of phoenix force still can be affected and that count as a forum win. cough...shi'ar laser cannon...cough......xorn....cough

I showed others. You're focused on durability, but I'm not sure it matters, especially considering Phoenix allowed those to happen. Emma didn't even have the full force and recovered from being shattered though. I don't foresee a forum win that way.

Originally posted by cdtm
You're talking about the PF living on after a host dies.

If Jean was killed, and the PF moved on, I'd consider that a forum win. Because Jean is the character, while PF is just a force of nature that empowers her.

Jean didn't die and the Phoenix didn't leave. She created a creepy Twilight Zone suburb where she lived as a waitress and talks to dead people.

Without bfr I guess Flash can't beat Phoenix.

But the threat said no universal powers, which I assume Phoenix is.

Speed force dump should work on a Phoenix, since it was originally used by Jay Garrick to defeat Spectre munching King of Tears.

Originally posted by cdtm
Without bfr I guess Flash can't beat Phoenix.

But the threat said no universal powers, which I assume Phoenix is.

Speed force dump should work on a Phoenix, since it was originally used by Jay Garrick to defeat Spectre munching King of Tears.

It says no multiversal power.

Originally posted by cdtm
Speed force dump should work on a Phoenix, since it was originally used by Jay Garrick to defeat Spectre munching King of Tears.

King of Tears ****ed Jay up earlier. King of Tears, Spectre, Phoenix, whoever....Maybe there are fringe matchups but I'm just not sold on Flash being able to take out characters on this level. /shrug

Or I'm totally wrong and some hardcore Flash fan is about to slap me with scans of him taking Kismet's lunch money and punching Dr. Manhattan unconscious.

Absolon Mercator can beat him.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Maybe. I feel like that was a corner case though. Judging by what Mr. Terrific and Dr. Midnite said, King of Tears needs someone to guide it or it's basically a Portuguese Man O' War: deadly but aimless. Midnite killed Johnny Sorrow so it had no guide when Flash did that.

King of Tears ****ed Jay up earlier. King of Tears, Spectre, Phoenix, whoever....Maybe there are fringe matchups but I'm just not sold on Flash being able to take out characters on this level. /shrug

Or I'm totally wrong and some hardcore Flash fan is about to slap me with scans of him taking Kismet's lunch money and punching Dr. Manhattan unconscious.

Consider the characters who could do this to him.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ec99c07ccd9c3fc8f388243a00b44795.webp

Maybe Manifold.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Consider the characters who could do this to him.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ec99c07ccd9c3fc8f388243a00b44795.webp

Maybe Manifold.

Because you know that's not him, right? Lol

I love how he brought up manifold

when showing a DCNU captain atom scan, that's like saying he thinks some random highschool wrestler can beat DC, just because Jon Jones did so.

DCNU Cap can roflstomp hickman's avengers in his sleep let alone manifold

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
I'm curious... Who would be able to do that to current Wally?

Because you know that's not him, right? Lol

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Originally posted by MrMind
I love how he brought up manifold

when showing a DCNU captain atom scan, that's like saying he thinks some random highschool wrestler can beat DC, just because Jon Jones did so.

DCNU Cap can roflstomp hickman's avengers in his sleep let alone manifold

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
I'm curious... Who would be able to do that to current Wally?

Because you know that's not him, right? Lol

Are they not interchangeable characters?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Are they not interchangeable characters?

I *suppose* you could use Barry's feats for Wally but not the other way around.

Problem is that isn't even current Barry , Hulkster buddy.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
lmao what you mean "thats it"

Darwin, Colossus, Elixir,
Jean Grey, Magneto, Iceman etc

And I haven't read the past few pages but what does it matter if it's Wally or Barry or (is it Jay)? Both are so much faster than 95% of Marvel characters it wouldn't even matter?

If one of them runs a billion lighters a second and the other one runs 999 million that's still 998 million light years faster than a mutant. Maybe I missed something tho

How TF is Colossus gonna beat Flash?

Originally posted by MrMind
I love how he brought up manifold

when showing a DCNU captain atom scan, that's like saying he thinks some random highschool wrestler can beat DC, just because Jon Jones did so.

DCNU Cap can roflstomp hickman's avengers in his sleep let alone manifold

Captain Atom can beat cap universe and all of the Avengers?

If Nate can do what that scan says he can do, yeah. Of course.

New 52 Cap Atom was uber as shit.

Post death God Darwin could win.