Name 5 mutants that can beat Flash w/ no PIS

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
We're using Death God Darwin, sorry, your scan is irrelevant.

Erm....he hits the ground there, dude. Are you unable to read?

Edit: and ....thanks for the English lesson?

So is Death God Darwin less powerful than before or more powerful than before? Seems to be the latter and a weaker version's feats tend to apply to the stronger version. It's vis versa that is questionable.

Let me state this in more detail. The wings grow fast enough to keep him from hitting the ground if allowed to completely grow instead of being willed away.

You're welcome.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
So is Death God Darwin less powerful than before or more powerful than before? Seems to be the latter and a weaker version's feats tend to apply to the stronger version. It's vis versa that is questionable.

Let me state this in more detail. The wings grow fast enough to keep him from hitting the ground if allowed to completely grow instead of being willed away.

You're welcome.

I'm not sure why you were telling me they were synonyms though? I deliberately kept using the word 'harmed' so as to avoid any accusations of misquoting.

The wings also grow slow enough that Darwin - a non speedster - was able to react to and will them away.

So you have no actual scans of Death God Darwin, and have to rely on extrapolations and conjecture. No, that's fair enough - just remember your stance and argument in this thread in future 😈

I am 100% OK with this stance, btw, just before you try and twist it back on me.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm not sure why you were telling me they were synonyms though? I deliberately kept using the word 'harmed' so as to avoid any accusations of misquoting.

The wings also grow slow enough that Darwin - a non speedster - was able to react to and will them away.

So you have no actual scans of Death God Darwin, and have to rely on extrapolations and conjecture. No, that's fair enough - just remember your stance and argument in this thread in future 😈

I am 100% OK with this stance, btw, just before you try and twist it back on me.

Carver wont like this one.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm not sure why you were telling me they were synonyms though? I deliberately kept using the word 'harmed' so as to avoid any accusations of misquoting.

The wings also grow slow enough that Darwin - a non speedster - was able to react to and will them away.

So you have no actual scans of Death God Darwin, and have to rely on extrapolations and conjecture. No, that's fair enough - just remember your stance and argument in this thread in future 😈

I am 100% OK with this stance, btw, just before you try and twist it back on me.

I said that he is "uninjured" by the vehicle and you implied that I agreed that he is harmed (putting false words on my mouth again). If he is uninjured, he is unharmed.

Darwin now has some control over his power. Not seeing the relevance. The wings are timed to prevent him from hitting the ground. Do you agree that his body becomes rock hard instantly after that?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
I said that he is "uninjured" by the vehicle and you implied that I agreed that he is harmed (putting false words on my mouth again). If he is uninjured, he is unharmed.

Darwin now has some control over his power. Not seeing the relevance. The wings are timed to prevent him from hitting the ground. Do you agree that his body becomes rock hard instantly after that?

But he was injured.

And his control was as before.

You can see Darwin saying 'Ow'. Pained expression. Limbs all folded weirdly. He's dazed with an 'uhhh'. He didn't get back up and chase after them.

But yeah, ok, according to you, he was unharmed/uninjured 😂

I always thought Shadow King would be a problem for most of the Herald tier, despite his ranking. He's unfortunate he's an antagonist for the most consistently stacked telepathic team in comics. It makes him seem like less a threat than he'd actually be for most heros/teams.

Certain powerful psychics could be a handful, even for Flash. Elias Bogan being another.

iceman.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I always thought Shadow King would be a problem for most of the Herald tier, despite his ranking. He's unfortunate he's an antagonist for the most consistently stacked telepathic team in comics. It makes him seem like less a threat than he'd actually be for most heros/teams.

Certain powerful psychics could be a handful, even for Flash. Elias Bogan being another.

again...these psychics don't have the proof of reaction time, unless someone doesn't need a physical body to exist, I don't see them beating the flash

...J'onn can cast his mind out in....PLANK TIMES....across the unvierse, and I would give Flash the win over him
https://imgur.com/a/urDwa4Y

what speed feats do these psychics have, as in speed of thoughts that rivals zeptoseconds or plank times etc

Originally posted by MrMind
again...these psychics don't have the proof of reaction time, unless someone doesn't need a physical body to exist, I don't see them beating the flash

Originally posted by StyleTime
Shadow King

Elias Bogan

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Originally posted by StyleTime
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no to shadow king, once his anchor host is killed his astral essense would be dispersed, that count as a forum win

Originally posted by Smurph
And the whole context is that Hawkeye was out to assassinate someone with godlike powers.

The argument that “an arrow wouldn’t/shouldn’t kill you immediately” ignores the archer. Let’s not pretend that Hawkeye couldn’t land an instant kill shot on an unsuspecting target.

that's not what the comics shown, she was talking before she undid the arrow

you don't die right when the bullet goes through your heart, you don't die the moment the arrow goes through your heart

Originally posted by MrMind
no to shadow king, once his anchor host is killed his astral essense would be dispersed, that count as a forum win

Originally posted by MrMind
that's not what the comics shown, she was talking before she undid the arrow

you don't die right when the bullet goes through your heart, you don't die the moment the arrow goes through your heart

Originally posted by StyleTime
Wanda dropped dead before reviving herself. I think some levels of power don't fully obey natural principles(moreso than normal comic book logic), even time or death.

Originally posted by StyleTime
He can attack from a different plane. He's just weaker. Regardless, this falls under the "neutral setting" clause, so we assume he's no different than when on the astral plane. He gets to operate at full power, just like this CIS-less forum Flash. No anchor needed. That'd be ridiculous, as we could just pick anchors...

That still ignores the previous page I posted earlier, where she's shown dead on the ground.

She only seemed to talk after coming back.

1. I agree if he is in astral mode Flash can't touch him,
if he's starts in human form he wouldn't have time to get to astral form. his host body would be dead and it would take him a long time to reform.
but yes if he STARTs at astral form there's nothing Flash can do to him

2. we are going to circle here, she could be just laying there or she could be dead, no way to prove either way. the comics didn't specify, she die then come back or she undid the injury before death, whatever. let's move on from this one

Originally posted by MrMind
1. I agree if he is in astral mode Flash can't touch him,
if he's starts in human form he wouldn't have time to get to astral form. his host body would be dead and it would take him a long time to reform.
but yes if he [b]STARTs at astral form there's nothing Flash can do to him

2. we are going to circle here, she could be just laying there or she could be dead, no way to prove either way. the comics didn't specify, she die then come back or she undid the injury before death, whatever. let's move on from this one [/B]

Hey man, you brought it back up lol. I'm fine moving on.

Originally posted by StyleTime
He would just jump into Flash. He doesn't care about his host body, as Storm discovered the hard way. X-Verse groups sometimes use hax to scramble his powers so he can't do that, like Psylocke's psi-blade. His main enemies are, working together, his worst matchup ever. The mutants are loaded with hax and they still go through hell.

Hey man, you brought it back up lol. I'm fine moving on.

question: If his host body dies before he jumps in to Flash, would he still be able to jump into flash afterwards?

Flash threw Deadman, one of THE premier 'possession' types, out using the Speed Force.

Originally posted by MrMind
question: If his host body dies before he jumps in to Flash, would he still be able to jump into flash afterwards?

Other than that, it's incidents like with Lionheart. She used hax tech though, so it doesn't apply to most characters.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Flash threw Deadman, one of THE premier 'possession' types, out using the Speed Force.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Seems like Cyclops did die. It's just comic book logic, so you can beat on someone's chest to restart their heart. Other than that, Reisz was killed and Farouk jumped to Legion. It took longer back then, but it's hard to tell if the anti-psi equipment they had slowed him down or was it purely killing the host. It definitely hurt him, but didn't send him back. Killing his nexus(different from host) probably would do it, but he shows up seemingly without one sometimes too.

Other than that, it's incidents like with Lionheart. She used hax tech though, so it doesn't apply to most characters.

Fair point. Pure possession might be a struggle, but he could probably still take him to the astral plane and end it there.

Maybe, maybe not. Speed Force shenanigans.

https://imgur.com/a/6Otn9

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You can see Darwin saying 'Ow'. Pained expression. Limbs all folded weirdly. He's dazed with an 'uhhh'. He didn't get back up and chase after them.

But yeah, ok, according to you, he was unharmed/uninjured 😂

Darwin is unharmed/uninjured by a taxi cab?