Originally posted by h1a8
Power levels aren't well defined in DB universe. A being with double the power level as another doesn't necessarily mean the being can exert twice the power in blasts as the other, lift twice as much, or punch twice as hard, etc.
This is a lie. A minimal difference in power levels makes a huge change in battle.
Originally posted by carver9
This is a lie. A minimal difference in power levels makes a huge change in battle.
Dragon Ball since the Saiyan saga become more about blast. Their striking powers were great, but it was their blast level that made them dangerous.
Piccolo who was a casual moon buster in his training arc with Gohan, who was about even with Goku in power level, yet that same Goku had trouble with such little amount of weights on him, plus with the added gravity on King Kai’s planet.
Dragon ball has always fluctuated in power, just like the majority of main stream comic characters.
Originally posted by h1a8Sure it does.
Power levels aren't well defined in DB universe. A being with double the power level as another doesn't necessarily mean the being can exert twice the power in blasts as the other, lift twice as much, or punch twice as hard, etc.
That's what KaioKen multipliers are all about.
Hm...
Alright, first off, I formally apologize for using the word "retarded" in such a careless, callous and reckless manor. That was vastly insensitive, and ignorant and I can only imagine how much more bullsh*t like that I posted on these boards. I take that back if possible and apologize to any offended if I can.
Secondly, yes, even after all these years kmc is a hidden gem of the internet even if imagehosting sites have obliterated most of the shared content on here.
Finally, concerning the meat of that response, I'm in the same position of argument as I was when I posted it and if you're fixating on the acuracy of the percentages rather than core of the message, then you were missing the point.
As for all the "where did you get that percentage from?" stuff; Admittedly, I have *no* idea... (I think the percentage given was a rough assumption based estimate off the top of my head or I goofed on the decimal placement... Not sure)
I don't remember what happened there or what I was thinking; .0025% of 120,000,000 = 3,000... I don't know if I was conflating Piccolo's lunar feat with Freeza's, then conflating Piccolo with random Namekians or what..
But okay let's do this...
100% Freeza = 120,000,000 (Daizenshuu 7).
1% of 120,000,000 = 120,000,000/100= 1,200,000 (math).
Freeza's first form tops out at 530,000 (Vol. 24, #286). [This doesn't matter.]
*Freeza wasn't stressed when he flattened the planet Vegeta, but he *was* stressing when attempting to fight the character Vegeta (not after the clash obviously but during).*
Vegeta's "official" power level at that point is 250,000 (V-Jump). (*If you can find higher officially listed figures please do share them*)
*250,000 is the highest estimate you can "officially" insist on form 1 Freeza having any issues with in terms of combat or energy related stress. * (empirical evidence)
1% (1,200,000) divided by 250,000 (highest known stress estimate/posit) = 4.8 (the number of times a combat stressed form 1 Freeza needs to be multiplied to equal 1% of his 4th form power). (math)
1% divided by 4.8 times = .2083 (repetend) % = Highest amount of overall power Freeza reasonably could have used when performing his planetary feat. (Was planet Vegeta officially stated to be 10 times bigger than Earth? If so, this *does* make a large difference if attempting to compare his ability to shed an Earth sized planet by thousands of times. More on that later.)
And, even *if* you used Freeza's form 1 max like a classic lowballer, you're still going to end up with something like .44%
So the figure was off, but the accurate figure is still not unimpressive, and argument itself still holds water.
Originally posted by jinzin
Hm...
Alright, first off, I formally apologize for using the word "retarded" in such a careless, callous and reckless manor. That was vastly insensitive, and ignorant and I can only imagine how much more bullsh*t like that I posted on these boards. I take that back if possible and apologize to any offended if I can.Secondly, yes, even after all these years kmc is a hidden gem of the internet even if imagehosting sites have obliterated most of the shared content on here.
Finally, concerning the meat of that response, I'm in the same position of argument as I was when I posted it and if you're fixating on the acuracy of the percentages rather than core of the message, then you were missing the point.
As for all the "where did you get that percentage from?" stuff; Admittedly, I have *no* idea... (I think the percentage given was a rough assumption based estimate off the top of my head or I goofed on the decimal placement... Not sure)
I don't remember what happened there or what I was thinking; .0025% of 120,000,000 = 3,000... I don't know if I was conflating Piccolo's lunar feat with Freeza's, then conflating Piccolo with random Namekians or what..But okay let's do this...
Welcome back.
Which puts us right back to square one: You can't invest in this series, acknowledge the sheer existence of Roshi, Piccolo and Freeza early on, witness what these characters are capable of in the early portions of the series, then backpeddle and insist that characters, who are hundreds to thousands of times stronger than they were when performing these feats, are actually hitting each other with hundreds to thousands of times less power than those younger, weaker characters used to accomplish them.
It's illogical to the point of fallacy.
When you have a character like Freeza who comes with a datesheet to follow along with then ignore that? That's just willful ignorance; Doesn't matter how you try to hide it behind trolling or skepticism.
It also doesn't matter that other series' go by different standards.
When discussing Dragonball in a microscope of it's own power scaling, you go by the Dragonball standard.
Galan does have the best p.o.v. on how to merge D.B. and comics in the same conversation imo however.
* It's also worth note that it takes something like around 1,800-2,000 times more energy to shed Earth sized planet than it does to shed a lunar satellite like ours even though Earth is only 3/4th's larger and 80 times heavier. Binding energy works exponentially.
The same scaling applies to larger planets, systems etc.. So even though Freeza shedding a planet with a finger and a laugh is impressive in the discussion of "planetary" feats, it's outscaled by comic/cosmic high tiers who shake systems and verses with their combat (although now that Super exists, we are getting some of that in the D.B. verse too), that said, if Planet Vegeta *was* 10 times bigger than Earth, that would also have to be considered as Freeza would need exponentially less energy to shed an Earth sized planet (bringing us back to the feats of characters like Roshi and Piccolo being able to do what they did at such an early stage). That said, it ought to be pretty clear that D.B. characters can handle "planetary" levels of destructive energy more often than not (and let's not pretend we haven't seen Thor and Wonder Woman go down to bullets and blades as every fiction has it's plot-holes, especially in power scaling), if you disagree, that's fine, but then we'd be at an impasse concerning conversation.
Hope you're all good out there. Stay safe.
Originally posted by jinzin
Hm...
Alright, first off, I formally apologize for using the word "retarded" in such a careless, callous and reckless manor. That was vastly insensitive, and ignorant and I can only imagine how much more bullsh*t like that I posted on these boards. I take that back if possible and apologize to any offended if I can.
Honestly, we've all probably said some shit we wish we could take back. Most of us were young idiots when we first started posting. I still feel bad about how everyone basically drove away all the women minus Sin lol.