The op scans make argument enough.
Amped Diamondback would chew up and spit out Bane (Banes good and all, he isn't slapping around Luke Cage, Matt, and Jessica Jones all at the same time), and we saw what happened when he tried to break Danny's back like Bane did Batmans. 👆
Just switch Batman with Iron Fist there, what do you suppose would happen?
Btw Darksaint, Diamondback broke Danny's back exactly like Bane broke the Bat. He was amped on magic drugs at the time, making him stronger then Luke Cage.
Only Danny got back up, and beat him down.
Stuff like that is why I think he's lowballed something fierce. I mean, even Tom King Batman had to painstakingly pop his spine back into place, or whatever stupid thing he did. He didn't just ignore it and go on fighting (And Danny did ignore it, as he claimed he was in tremendous pain afterwards.)
Just want to touch on the "no chi" thing again, and why I think it's an unsustainable stipulation compared to Bane's "No venom'.
The fact is, just about every martial artists at the top tier uses chi. Lady Shiva chi amps, and this is provable by scans.
Matt Murdoch chi amps. Stick taught him how.
Shang Chi chi amps, just see Avengers Worlds 3 and Gorgon vs Shang.
I'm not sure about Elektra so much, but I bet she can manipulate chi too.
Hell, even Colleen Wing chi amps, ever since Danny melded with her mind in Claremonts Iron Fist run.
My point is, asking for a martial arts fight with no chi amping isn't impossible, but it is very character specific. We know Batman and Steve don't use chi, as far as I know.
We know Shang Chi and Danny Rand DO.
So how can you have a fight with these two characters and ban chi amping, and expect any "clean" feats? They probably buff up their stats on everything they do, their entire history becomes suspect.
You just can't do it. Chi manipulation is as much a part of their genetic makeup as solar energy is to Superman.
Yeah, you can't completely deprive Danny of his chi abilities.
1) Every living being has chi.
2) Even without the IF technique, he still does have battle-effective chi abilities, such as enhancing his strikes.
We can still limit him, using only those showings when he doesn't use chi amping in any obvious way, though.
Such as his rematch against Wrecking Crew (excluding the IF usage at the end against Thunderball).
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah, you can't completely deprive Danny of his chi abilities.1) Every living being has chi.
2) Even without the IF technique, he still does have battle-effective chi abilities, such as enhancing his strikes.
We can still limit him, using only those showings when he doesn't use chi amping in any obvious way, though.
Such as his rematch against Wrecking Crew (excluding the IF usage at the end against Thunderball).
Where do you think the Diamonback fight falls?
Because if those little yellow effects disqualify it, Supermutant has to know they were there in Danny's rematch with Cat too.
When he's intercepting Diamondback's punch and putting his arm in a painful joint lock or whatever, it's certainly a display of pure skill.
When he's kicking him in the mouth, it's certainly a display of IF technique applied to his foot.
As for him ignoring his back being broken, it was retarded, as he felt the effects immediately afterwards and needed medical attention, iirc.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
When he's intercepting Diamondback's punch and putting his arm in a painful joint lock or whatever, it's certainly a display of pure skill.When he's kicking him in the mouth, it's certainly a display of IF technique applied to his foot.
As for him ignoring his back being broken, it was retarded, as he felt the effects immediately afterwards and needed medical attention, iirc.
I just figured he strengthened up the spine with a little Iron Fist juice.
Would make it usable without risking further damage, but wouldn't actually fix it.
Of course, one can ask why not simply chi heal. Either Bendis ignored that he can, or maybe figured he hasn't shown his healing can fix a broken spine.
Originally posted by cdtm
Where do you think the Diamonback fight falls?Because if those little yellow effects disqualify it, Supermutant has to know they were there in Danny's rematch with Cat too.
The artist used that effect just to show impact it seems to me. That's why Sable and Paladin fights had that as well.
Anyways not trying to complicate things. Was just looking for this:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I think OP wanted to see if Danny had any feats on pure skill.
As such Danny's fights with the Cat (both of them) are good examples of him using skill and not the iron fist. IIRC he fight Mr. X without the iron fist for most of it. I think cdtm mentioned a fight against the Steel Serpent.
Back to Bane, I think people see him fight brickish on venom a lot and thinks he doesn't have much skill. But in addition to being self taught and league of assassins training, he also utilizes grappling, wrestling, and submission type holds. He may have actually trained with Bruce when he thought they may have been brothers. But Bane has showed a lot of skill in his fight off of venom.
Originally posted by Supermutant
The artist used that effect just to show impact it seems to me. That's why Sable and Paladin fights had that as well.Anyways not trying to complicate things. Was just looking for this:
As such Danny's fights with the Cat (both of them) are good examples of him using skill and not the iron fist. IIRC he fight Mr. X without the iron fist for most of it. I think cdtm mentioned a fight against the Steel Serpent.
Back to Bane, I think people see him fight brickish on venom a lot and thinks he doesn't have much skill. But in addition to being self taught and league of assassins training, he also utilizes grappling, wrestling, and submission type holds. He may have actually trained with Bruce when he thought they may have been brothers. But Bane has showed a lot of skill in his fight off of venom.
Yeah, a few fights with Davos actually.
To be fair, he JUST got done defeating Spidey first, who fired off several punch's before he got caught. But they had a rematch that was all Danny vs Davos with his Iron Fist, and it was a conclusive loss.
One thing I like about the first fight is how it shows off Davos's super human abilities. Peter jump kicks him, gets caught, gets swung around by the ankle in to Misty and/Colleen, and finally gets thrown horizontally into a tree. Can't see Matt Murdoch pulling that one off.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Nah.He tried to kick X.
X blocked it. And acted out of character, telling Danny what his power is.
Then Danny used the drunken style, charged his palm with IF energy and struck X's throat.
Could have been chi energy, maybe. Or just another artistic license to show a strike.
I mean, he jammed fingers into his throat. Pretty sure a regular strike would serve as well as a charged one.
And how would that "Drunken style" even stop TP? Would it work on other things, like the Spidey Sense or Midnighter computer?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Nah.He tried to kick X.
X blocked it. And acted out of character, telling Danny what his power is.
Then Danny used the drunken style, charged his palm with IF energy and struck X's throat.
lol yeah but he didn't used the iron fist until the end. Up until the very end would be a non iron fist skill fight showings.