Iron Fist vs Bane H2H

Black Tarantula very nearly koed Iron Fist with one sneak attack kick from behind.

https://i.imgur.com/l3Miw4O.jpg

By the way didn't Bullseye beat BT in prison?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
But wasn't that retconned as Bane just wearing his equipment out of habit?

That part always confused me.

Mammoth was still fighting after that, but it was a great scene.

Venom Bane was taking in to Mammoth. Two different occasions below.

https://imgur.com/KgT82bD
https://imgur.com/dd1R6qo

That's a good point about Salvation Run. Bane was working for the Suicide Squad at the time. He certainly wasn't prepared to be teleported to an alien prison planet. IIRC the villains stayed there for about a week. Its highly doubtful that Bane would have a week supply of venom on his person. I bet the writers didn't even think about that. I guess one could say that Bane rationed it out, but they were fighting constantly on the planet against the planet defense and themselves. So its quite possible that he could have ran out, although it was never address to my knowledge.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Black Tarantula very nearly koed Iron Fist with one sneak attack kick from behind.

https://i.imgur.com/l3Miw4O.jpg

By the way didn't Bullseye beat BT in prison?

Venom Bane was taking in to Mammoth. Two different occasions below.

https://imgur.com/KgT82bD
https://imgur.com/dd1R6qo

That's a good point about Salvation Run. Bane was working for the Suicide Squad at the time. He certainly wasn't prepared to be teleported to an alien prison planet. IIRC the villains stayed there for about a week. Its highly doubtful that Bane would have a week supply of venom on his person. I bet the writers didn't even think about that. I guess one could say that Bane rationed it out, but they were fighting constantly on the planet against the planet defense and themselves. So its quite possible that he could have ran out, although it was never address to my knowledge.

No idea on Bullseye. Sounds like a lot of PIS, since he can't even beat up Frank Castle.

And BT ALMOST knocking him out. Meaning he failed to knock him out.

From.a sneak attack from behind, no less. Not bad considering BT literally raped Spidey not once, but twice, and tanked his best shots (Shots which took down Rhino and Firelord. Yeah, I went there, damn the rules. 😛 )

Originally posted by Supermutant
By the way didn't Bullseye beat BT in prison?

Don't remember, but if so, wouldn't BT be depowered there?

Superhuman prisons work like that in the MU.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Venom Bane was taking in to Mammoth. Two different occasions below.

https://imgur.com/KgT82bD
https://imgur.com/dd1R6qo

That's a good point about Salvation Run. Bane was working for the Suicide Squad at the time. He certainly wasn't prepared to be teleported to an alien prison planet. IIRC the villains stayed there for about a week. Its highly doubtful that Bane would have a week supply of venom on his person. I bet the writers didn't even think about that. I guess one could say that Bane rationed it out, but they were fighting constantly on the planet against the planet defense and themselves. So its quite possible that he could have ran out, although it was never address to my knowledge.

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He performed much better against Mammoth there than in Secret Six.

But that alone is not enough of a proof of whether or not he used Venom. Could've been a high showing, like Batman's strikes affecting Despero, for example.

Originally posted by Supermutant
I bet the writers didn't even think about that.

Yeah, most writers don't give a shit.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And Bane beat Batman senseless. Which an enraged amped WW couldn't do even when he had no armour and was injured.

So Bane hits harder than an amped bloodlusted WW.

Bring it full circle DS, what value does Bane beating down Grundy or Miraclo amped Hourmen or whoever have then?

Even more value.

My point is one doesn't want to go the ABC route with Bane.

yeah BT was on power suppressing drugs when Bullseye beat him. But Danny was in no condition to fight after the 1-hit kick by BT. Sort of goes against popping right back up from a back breaker. Although then all Bane would do is break his back again.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Even more value.

My point is one doesn't want to go the ABC route with Bane.

How do you figure?

Your point about Wonder Woman and Batman can apply just the same the other way. If Bane beats up Batman, he has no business tanking Wonder Woman.

And the same circular logic applies to Danny as well. He beat Spidey, who beat f'n Firelord.

It's too bad we don't have a rule about that kind of thing. A rule that states if Spidey beats the crap out of Firelord, it just may be bullshit.

Because from where I'm standing, that's what most of the arguments backing Bane look like. He beat Grundy, he beat Mammoth, he stalemates Miraclo twins.

Seems legit.

Originally posted by cdtm
f'n Firelord

Featless glass cannon.

And Pete needed 2-3 issues to do that, lol.

Bane fought Batman w/ Superman's powers.

Originally posted by cdtm
How do you figure?

Your point about Wonder Woman and Batman can apply just the same the other way. If Bane beats up Batman, he has no business tanking Wonder Woman.

And the same circular logic applies to Danny as well. He beat Spidey, who beat f'n Firelord.

It's too bad we don't have a rule about that kind of thing. A rule that states if Spidey beats the crap out of Firelord, it just may be bullshit.

Because from where I'm standing, that's what most of the arguments backing Bane look like. He beat Grundy, he beat Mammoth, he stalemates Miraclo twins.

Seems legit.

In short, let's draw the line so that Bane is below IF 👆

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Featless glass cannon.

And Pete needed 2-3 issues to do that, lol.

Bane fought Batman w/ Superman's powers.

He broke Surfers board and tanked hits from Thor..

So at least one actual feat.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
In short, let's draw the line so that Bane is below IF 👆

And what line is that again? That we're redrawing from?

A line where Bane can fight Superman empowered Batman without Venom, and Danny couldn't hurt Luke Cage with a full powered Iron Fist?

And onto a different subject:

Should the Wrecking Crew beatdown be accepted as a pure skill feat?

Put another way, can Matt Murdock do the same thing, sans the Iron Fist finisher.

I mean, my head canon has him seriously amping him to knock them out, Iron Fist art or no.

But if he can KO them with pressure points, thar should apply to his peers as well. Shang Chi, Daredevil, Shiva.

Originally posted by cdtm
He broke Surfers board and tanked hits from [b]Thor..

So at least one actual feat. [/B]

A tear in the ocean of mediocrity.

Originally posted by cdtm
And onto a different subject:

Should the Wrecking Crew beatdown be accepted as a pure skill feat?

Put another way, can Matt Murdock do the same thing, sans the Iron Fist finisher.

I mean, my head canon has him seriously amping him to knock them out, Iron Fist art or no.

But if he can KO them with pressure points, thar should apply to his peers as well. Shang Chi, Daredevil, Shiva.

Yes, it's a skill feat, imho. Excluding Thunderball, of course.

Hardly the first time Crew got their asses handed to them by a street leveler.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
A tear in the ocean of mediocrity.

Yes, it's a skill feat, imho. Excluding Thunderball, of course.

Hardly the first time Crew got their asses handed to them by a street leveler.

Is that so.

Who else beat them down? (Cap doesn't count)

Originally posted by cdtm
Is that so.

Who else beat them down? (Cap doesn't count)

The Punisher with b-d list villain gear. Two laser blasts and gas bombs took them all down.

https://imgur.com/a/QQ1hLwo

Spider-Man has casually 1-shot Bulldozer.

Toxin who is listed on the same tier here as Iron-Fist easily took down the Wrecker and Piledriver simultaneously. Hit Wrecker with his own crow bar and made sure the authorities took them into custody.

https://imgur.com/4K1UGW8
https://imgur.com/9pPdlcs

Luke Cage solo has beaten the Wrecker (full power IIRC).

Hawkeye has owned the Wrecker and Piledriver by himself. Seriously these guys deserve a disrespect thread for all of their jobbing.

And here another one of Luke Cage and the New Avengers basically taking turns beating down the jobbing crew, red hood and co. Its funny that Wrecker states Cage shouldn't be kicking his ass like that. lol Among other things Iron fist smacks Thunderball with a chair. These clowns are like comedy relief goons. Too much ownage to post it all.

https://imgur.com/a/E9YCizP

To add:

Bada has taken Thunderball out:

Piledriver vs Nightcrawler:

Am pretty sure Old Lace is just a 'normal' raptor in terms of strength/biting power. Unsure on the Nightcrawler scene, but damn, it shouldn't even tickle.

yeah the runaways defeated Wrecking Crew + Excavator pretty hilariously.

this is fun

Don't forget about the time when Wrecking Crew busted free from their prison.

They ganged up on Clint and beat him senseless --- but dude wasn't even crippled... even though they still had their powers, lol.

Even Rhino mocks the Crew for being cowards and losers. And Rhino is the Jobber Supreme of the MU.

This gets even funnier when you think about how Thor put effort into beating them.