Originally posted by carver9
Why is Doomsday a trans tier character? Why is Thanos a trans tier character? What about Darkseid? Cheese fts isn't the end all be all of showings. If space cheese signify anything, Terrax would be much higher than he is now. Drax would be as well.
It's not, but its part of it. No one said its the end all be all of showings. NO ONE.
The speed, and the power dynamics. It's simply tooooo hard to look past this combination. Superman should be a Mangog slayer on paper, if not for being hit repeatedly throughout his history by Mangog clones. Still, the stupidity of writers should never outweigh scientific facts. Mangog in any reality, besides the equalized Speed Verse, should never see Superman as anything other than a blue and red blur, as he is reduced in health over time.
In a comic book, Mangog would probably win though. Like it or not, if the slower opponent can not actively, or innately manipulate time, they will lose to the much faster opponent.
Here ya go:
What Thor did there, and what people are passing it as, is similar to me saying that Superman [and the new gods] is capable of blowing planets with his heat vision, or holding them in his hand, based on this scan, where he is in the New Gods world, interacting with the normal [main DCU] dimension:
It's actually not similar at all in that there has never been anything established that Asgardians are any larger than Earthlings in the Asgardian realm, void, etc.
First of all, the Serpent didn't encoil Earth in normal space, he went into the Void [notice its size in Asgard space - nowhere near continent, country or even city wide]:https://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/Untitled.jpg
The void is the space between Earth and Asgard. How would he encoil Earth in the void if Earth is not in the void? Where is any notion of him not encoiling Earth in normal space expressed in the dialogue? And LOL at making hypocritical conclusions based on the dubious artistic scaling common to comics, especially comics from the 1970s.
That's why he is said to be in his etheral form, in the normal dimension [Earth's sphere]:https://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/Untitled2.png
First of all, it does NOT say that he is in his “ethereal form”. It describes his “ethereal coil”, thus not some form that he goes into and out of, but rather what he always is, an ethereal being. “Ethereal” is defined as: “of or relating to the regions beyond Earth” “celestial, Heavenly”, “unworldly, spiritual”. Jörmungandr is beyond Earth; an unworldly being.
And that's why Thor needed to go to Asgard to deal with the Serpent, otherwise it would have made damage in the normal [Earth's] Universe:https://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/Untitled3.png
Not sure of the point that’s trying to be made here. While Thor and Odin are fighting their enemies, the serpent is crushing Earth, thus Thor expresses the need to leave the battle and deal with him. He first must go back to Asgard and retrieve the items needed (boat, bull, etc.).
Once there, Thor travels by boat in the void between Asgard and Earth [where the Serpent is] and uses a simple bull to fish it out:http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...1983_327_15.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...1983_327_16.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...1983_327_17.jpg
Again, where does this notion of the serpent being in the void while it is around Earth, which isn’t in the void? The second scan flat out says “thence into the yawning void twix Asgard and Midgard. “Twix” means “between”.
In the subsequent showdown we, again, painfully see that the Serpent is nowhere near continent/Earth sized, relative to Thor [thus the bull being used as bait, lol]:http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...1983_327_18.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...1983_327_19.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...1983_327_20.jpg
Again with the hypocritical conclusions based on dubious artistic scaling LOL!
It is flat-out stated that space [and time] aren't the same in the Void [as if this wasn't ridiculously obvious anyway - when Thor fishes the goddamn Serpent in a boat using a bull from its supposed Earth-sized proportions]:https://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/Untitled4.png
In the Void [as in the New Gods world] the normal limits and proportions of time/space don't apply. That's why, eventough the Serpent was small enough for Thor to stand face-to-face with him, and get fished out with a bull, he was capable of encoiling the Earth, and crushing it with his etheral form [as seen in the normal space/time] from the Void.
Now even if we take these made up notions literally, does not Thor pull the serpent off of Earth, which is in the “normal space/time” (which contradicts the earlier statement that the serpent “didn’t encoil Earth in normal space”; smh at being all over the place)? So even if the unsubstantiated notion that the serpent shrinks in the void is true, that has nothing to do with the serpent’s size while wrapped around Earth and it is at this time that Thor pulls the serpent off of the planet.
Plus, space/time has absolutely nothing to do with the sizes of beings. The scan does not say “reality knows no natural bounds”. The dialogue specifically associates this with the length of the battle and nothing references any changes in size.
It's a non-feat.
That definitely has not been proven here.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Here ya go:It's actually not similar at all in that there has never been anything established that Asgardians are any larger than Earthlings in the Asgardian realm, void, etc.
The void is the space between Earth and Asgard. How would he encoil Earth in the void if Earth is not in the void? Where is any notion of him not encoiling Earth in normal space expressed in the dialogue? And LOL at making hypocritical conclusions based on the dubious artistic scaling common to comics, especially comics from the 1970s.
First of all, it does NOT say that he is in his “ethereal form”. It describes his “ethereal coil”, thus not some form that he goes into and out of, but rather what he always is, an ethereal being. “Ethereal” is defined as: “of or relating to the regions beyond Earth” “celestial, Heavenly”, “unworldly, spiritual”. Jörmungandr is beyond Earth; an unworldly being.
Not sure of the point that’s trying to be made here. While Thor and Odin are fighting their enemies, the serpent is crushing Earth, thus Thor expresses the need to leave the battle and deal with him. He first must go back to Asgard and retrieve the items needed (boat, bull, etc.).
Again, where does this notion of the serpent being in the void while it is around Earth, which isn’t in the void? The second scan flat out says “thence into the yawning void twix Asgard and Midgard. “Twix” means “between”.
Again with the hypocritical conclusions based on dubious artistic scaling LOL!
Now even if we take these made up notions literally, does not Thor pull the serpent off of Earth, which is in the “normal space/time” (which contradicts the earlier statement that the serpent “didn’t encoil Earth in normal space”; smh at being all over the place)? So even if the unsubstantiated notion that the serpent shrinks in the void is true, that has nothing to do with the serpent’s size while wrapped around Earth and it is at this time that Thor pulls the serpent off of the planet.
Plus, space/time has absolutely nothing to do with the sizes of beings. The scan does not say “reality knows no natural bounds”. The dialogue specifically associates this with the length of the battle and nothing references any changes in size.That definitely has not been proven here.
Good post
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilRead my comment again, slowly this time.
not at all. A beats B and B beats C so A must beat C is absolutely wrong. For example: Pyro has an advantage vs Venom. So if he does beat Venom is he now Spidey level or higher? Absolutely ****ing not. He just exploited a weakness. Those types of things make comparative feats trash.
And it's hilarious that your comment ended up speaking *against* combat showings instead lol.
Originally posted by carver9
Same Drax. Professor Hulk stalemated Power Gem Drax. The strongest incarnation.
Again: No feat sharing.
Edit: BTW, Alberto said Drax lost to prof. Hulk. You said stalemate. So you agree with me that Alberto was lying?
