White people can be just as racist as black people and any other people. There are racist blacks, whites, browns whatever color. There are no statistics to prove when racially motivated killings occur that both parties each have lingering racial biases. Most people walk away from unnecessary conflict unless they have underlying issues.
Re: Man Gunned Down Over Property Dispute
Originally posted by dadudemon
Black kills white man. The alleged murderer claims he was afraid for his life after being called a racial slur. He is charged with manslaughter/second degree murder.Take a look at the video:
It will not be covered in the mainstream news. No one will give a shit except the direct friends and family of the people involved.
Compare and contrast this with the Arbery shooting. Unlike the other shooting, there is clear and definitive evidence that this is racially motivated.
I think the difference here is that the justice system is doing its job....What the final outcome is has yet to be determined but thankfully he was arrested and charged.
Very different from the Arbery shooting from my understanding.
Re: Re: Man Gunned Down Over Property Dispute
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think the difference here is that the justice system is doing its job....What the final outcome is has yet to be determined but thankfully he was arrested and charged.Very different from the Arbery shooting from my understanding.
It's a different situation for sure. The two top flight security guys will be thrown in prison, and get whats coming to them. The deceased would likely still be alive if he just would have just walked away. He probably would have been able to file a law suit as well. He might have been casing, maybe not. As far as I know he didn't commit a crime that warranted death. That's for the jury to decide.
Yeah I'm gonna have to destroy some arguments, apologies in advance 🙂
The problem is this "justice was served" defense doesn't 100% fly here. You could perhaps point to that as to why this isn't getting as much coverage(but I don't believe that for a single second, no way the Arbery case gets dog shit coverage if the guys were arrested immediately, and the trial for Arbery will get more attention than the trial for the black killer) but "justice being served" doesn't explain one bit why the usual suspects are not out screaming "this is racist".
And no, "the optics" are no better an excuse for the lack of people crying racism. Unless by "optics" you literally just mean "victim was white".
Originally posted by dadudemon
Both cases are claiming self-defense. The McMichael's have a better self-defense case...yet that's the case that is more controversial.It's pretty obvious that the media only likes interracial murders from one direction.
Yes it is quite obvious to anyone willing to be honest about the situation.
That is the problem though isn't it? People weren't honest about the Arbery situation.
Originally posted by Surtur
Yeah I'm gonna have to destroy some arguments, apologies in advance 🙂The problem is this "justice was served" defense doesn't 100% fly here. You could perhaps point to that as to why this isn't getting as much coverage(but I don't believe that for a single second, no way the Arbery case gets dog shit coverage if the guys were arrested immediately, and the trial for Arbery will get more attention than the trial for the black killer) but "justice being served" doesn't explain one bit why the usual suspects are not out screaming "this is racist".
And no, "the optics" are no better an excuse for the lack of people crying racism. Unless by "optics" you literally just mean "victim was white".
Heck, look at the comments here. It's mostly us all agreeing Berry is stupid and should be locked away. No controversy means no/little coverage.
We all play our roles on KMC. I highly doubt any liberal posters would not want this covered in the MSM for what it is. Don't confuse the media bias in reporting with the hearts of all liberals. Generally, liberals are more in touch with their feelings as a first response to events. Sometimes that's not a bad thing.
Originally posted by BadabingWise words from Bada, I want everything covered without the bias, loaded phases and gaslighting.
We all play our roles on KMC. I highly doubt any liberal posters would not want this covered in the MSM for what it is. Don't confuse the media bias in reporting with the hearts of all liberals. Generally, liberals are more in touch with their feelings as a first response to events. Sometimes that's not a bad thing.
Originally posted by StyleTime
The success of the Justice system here is so fundamental here though. Even if we assumed equal racism from all killers here, there's not much else to discuss when the black perpetrator gets the book thrown at him. That's the best case scenario for that situation: killer kills someone and gets charged. Arbery is sensational because it appears the system failed.Heck, look at the comments here. It's mostly us all agreeing Berry is stupid and should be locked away. No controversy means no/little coverage.
They were arrested though. How did the system fail?
Originally posted by dadudemon
Black kills white man. The alleged murderer claims he was afraid for his life after being called a racial slur. He is charged with manslaughter/second degree murder.Take a look at the video:
It will not be covered in the mainstream news. No one will give a shit except the direct friends and family of the people involved.
Compare and contrast this with the Arbery shooting. Unlike the other shooting, there is clear and definitive evidence that this is racially motivated.
That's a sad story, it's good that the person is in custody and will be tried. It looks in most aspects like a pretty clear cut case.
Watching the video in the OP was interesting, of course you don't expect news sources to completely unbiasedly report, especially when a person's life was taken, but I couldn't help but notice the contrast of the family photos of the victim with the mugshot of the perpetrator. It certainly draws a certain image in the viewers mind, one that in this case does seem somewhat justified, of course.
I'm not sure I see the parallels with the debate about the Arbery shooting personally though. Both the case seems a lot more clear cut here, and the societal narratives and response seem to be aligned. I don't see any partisan lines here that would cause an argument.
Originally posted by cdtm
They were arrested though. How did the system fail?
I think the argument is that they were only arrested because of public outcry after learning of this case. Dadudemon mentioned some online movements of people jogging or something. And I would assume that the next step in the argument is to say that public outrage should not be part of the system's response, even though in a Democratic society it is of course one avenue to have a fail-safe. So I think that is why some people say the system failed in the Arbery case.
Originally posted by Robtard
I mean, if you people put aside your feelings and look at it objectively, a man was killed in what looks very much like a murder and the suspected murderer was taken into custody that night and he's being charged with murder. It wasn't swept under the rug for months until a video came out showing the murder.If the same had happened when Arbery was murdered, it wouldn't be coast-to-coast news as well.
Originally posted by StyleTime
This came up some years ago during the Trayvon thing. The issue remains the same. We can discuss how racist/not racist each incident was, but these aren't identical things.The black dude who killed the white guy was, swiftly, brought up on charges. Of course it won't be covered: there is no controversy because the Justice system acted as it should.
The white guys who killed Arbery roamed around free for several months. It was only because of public outrage at the later video release that the white guys are even facing charges at all.
The white and black killers are all morons either way though. Can we all agree with that?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think the difference here is that the justice system is doing its job....What the final outcome is has yet to be determined but thankfully he was arrested and charged.Very different from the Arbery shooting from my understanding.
Bingo. The suspect was arrested and charged with murder the same day here.
Originally posted by cdtm
They were arrested though. How did the system fail?
Originally posted by StyleTime
The white guys who killed Arbery roamed around free for several months. It was only because of public outrage at the later video release that the white guys are even facing charges at all.
A Grand Jury decided not to bring charges against him, which is fine, but they still had to check it out. Even in instances where you're ultimately not charged, an investigation has to go down because you ****ing killed someone.
You can't just chill out for months playing the Resident Evil 3 Remake like nothing happened.
Originally posted by Artol
I think the argument is that they were only arrested because of public outcry after learning of this case. Dadudemon mentioned some online movements of people jogging or something. And I would assume that the next step in the argument is to say that public outrage should not be part of the system's response, even though in a Democratic society it is of course one avenue to have a fail-safe. So I think that is why some people say the system failed in the Arbery case.
It's great citizens are willing to call out the BS, but it shouldn't be required.