why wouldn't they switch their allegiance and vote for the guy who called white supremacists "very fine people", has told minorities in congress to "go back" where they came from, and called nations in africa "shithole countries".
after all, biden tried to be too cool with black people and overstepped good taste with clumsy comments and lying about being down with the naacp. that's exactly the same, really
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
why wouldn't they switch their allegiance and vote for the guy who called white supremacists "very fine people", has told minorities in congress to "go back" where they came from, and called nations in africa "shithole countries".after all, biden tried to be too cool with black people and overstepped good taste with clumsy comments and lying about being down with the naacp. that's exactly the same, really
One of these days you'll remember that I supported Bernie last time and Tulsi this time around. I have never supported Trump and never will
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
why wouldn't they switch their allegiance and vote for the guy who called white supremacists "very fine people"
Not even politifact agrees with you, here. They state that full context is needed to understand what he meant so they posted the whole transcript:
Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.
"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.
Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"
Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."
Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"
Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."
Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."
Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down -- excuse me, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him?"
Reporter: "I do love Thomas Jefferson."
Trump: "Okay, good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue?
"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.
"Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."
Reporter: "Sir, I just didn’t understand what you were saying. You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? I just don’t understand what you were saying."
Trump: "No, no. There were people in that rally -- and I looked the night before -- if you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day it looked like they had some rough, bad people -- neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them.
"But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest, and very legally protest -- because, I don’t know if you know, they had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit. So I only tell you this: There are two sides to a story. I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country -- a horrible moment. But there are two sides to the country.
Not only did Trump NOT call the Neo Nazis "very fine people", he outright condemned them and made his position quite clear not once but twice.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/
Originally posted by Artol
I see, do you think these Black voters should instead vote for Republicans, third party, or not vote at all?
You didn't ask me but I want to answer as this is one of the most important issues for me:
Third party. Restoring the black family unit is the most essential component to undoing the decades of damage the Democratic Party has done to the black family.
Republicans are not the best suited party to helping heal the damage. The Democrats continue to cause the damage with their policies, PR campaigns to keep the voters hypnotized (but that is wearing off as the information age is removing the hold the Democratic Party had on the American People for decades), and the inaction.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Third party would be the best idea.
I suppose the main argument against this suggestion is the view that if black people were to do that they would lose even the little influence they have on real politics through the Democratic party, the idea being that this third party would almost never win any elections, and be more or less a non-factor in politics, nothing more than perhaps a lobbying interest group. Worse, even the policies that black people believe are beneficial to them in the Democratic platform may be abandoned if there are virtually no black people voting for Democrats, and the Democrats being required to vie for different voting groups. Leaving aside that we treat the black electorate as homogenous here.
Do you think this is a relevant issue? And if not, by what mechanism do you think black people's political power would be amplified if they voted for a third party instead, rather than becoming a non-factor?
Oh, I see, you are suggesting that there should be a coalition in a third party that can then win elections, a coalition that includes black voters. The question I guess is then what politics could it be that get all these voters under one umbrella to be able to at least consistently win elections, or even displace one of the two parties.
The logistics I guess are very difficult, because whoever moves first runs the risk of completely being taken out of the political processes except as a footnote and perhaps a recognition as a "protest" vote (like Green or Libertarian voters are right now)
Do you think there is a third party right now that has a program that you think black people should flock to? And generally what policy platform should a party have as to be aligned with people's interests, as you said.
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Originally posted by Artol
I suppose the main argument against this suggestion is the view that if black people were to do that they would lose even the little influence they have on real politics through the Democratic party, the idea being that this third party would almost never win any elections, and be more or less a non-factor in politics, nothing more than perhaps a lobbying interest group. Worse, even the policies that black people believe are beneficial to them in the Democratic platform may be abandoned if there are virtually no black people voting for Democrats, and the Democrats being required to vie for different voting groups. Leaving aside that we treat the black electorate as homogenous here.
This is a lesson that Bernie-or-Bust voters need to learn.
You do not win policy concessions by withholding your vote from the Democratic candidate, you win them by becoming the most reliable Democratic voting block.
It is a simple calculus. If you withhold your vote and I lose, then I have no incentive to help you. If you withhold your vote and I win without you, then I do not need you, and have no incentive to help you. But if you help ensure that I win, then I will do whatever I can to help you. You do not get what you want by removing your influence, you get it by increasing it. Make yourself indispensible.
Originally posted by dadudemonDid he tell politicians of colour to go back?
Not even politifact agrees with you, here. They state that full context is needed to understand what he meant so they posted the whole transcript:Not only did Trump NOT call the Neo Nazis "very fine people", he outright condemned them and made his position quite clear not once but twice.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
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