I agree, Cyber entire body was covered in adamantium but it seems like the writer who killed him off retcon that. The beetles after eating his flesh left the adamantium behind and it was just the arms sitting there.
I thought Apocalypse reused the adamantium from cyber arms and gave it to Wolverine. Also, when Wolverine repelled the adamantium, that is by far one of the best scenes in comics.
Originally posted by carver9
I agree, Cyber entire body was covered in adamantium but it seems like the writer who killed him off retcon that. The beetles after eating his flesh left the adamantium behind and it was just the arms sitting there.
Nah, it didn't get retconned.
In that very same arc, under the same writer (Hama), it was shown how Cyber's torso and other parts were fully protected. Dark Riders commented on it, as they tested Cyber and his adamantium before deciding to kill him.
As for his remains... artists had major trouble depicting them and chose NOT to show them at all most of the time.
You're referring to the panel where Genesis grabs some adamantium parts with mechanical arms --- but we don't see Cyber's corpse or even the bloody spot where he was, because it's simply not shown to us.
So it's only logical to assume Genesis kept collecting the parts, having fun as if he was playing an Arcade Claw Machine.
Cyber's skin had many layers of adamantium grafted to it, so it would take time to collect them all, even after the death beetles consumed all of his flesh and insides.
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Larry Hama is one of the most experienced Wolverine writers and he was familiar with Cyber; he wouldn't make a mistake like that.
Comics back then had more censorship than they do know and, like I said, Cyber's place of death wasn't shown on panel.
Originally posted by carver9
I thought Apocalypse reused the adamantium from cyber arms and gave it to Wolverine. Also, when Wolverine repelled the adamantium, that is by far one of the best scenes in comics.
Apocalypse re-used Sabretooth's adamantium, after Logan beat Creed in a fight and proved to be more worthy of being his horseman.
We don't know for certain who gave it to Sabretooth and what the source of said adamantium was. It's not clear.
It was either Apocalypse or the relaunched Weapon X program, which returned adamantium to Victor in 2001.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Thing broke through adamantium-vibranium alloy, so did Carol before her wank.
Thing did? You remember the issue?
Yeah, Alberto already posted the Carol scans.
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Adamantium alloys have a long history of being inferior to the pure adamantium, I'll give ya that.
In theory, adamantium-vibranium mix should be awesome. On par with Steve's shield, even.
But in practice... I think it's safe to say those two metals simply don't mix well... or perhaps they do, but it takes some brilliant metallurgist to make them.
It's still Jane's greatest pure strength feat, afaik.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Thing did? You remember the issue?Yeah, Alberto already posted the Carol scans.
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Adamantium alloys have a long history of being inferior to the pure adamantium, I'll give ya that.In theory, adamantium-vibranium mix should be awesome. On par with Steve's shield, even.
But in practice... I think it's safe to say those two metals simply don't mix well... or perhaps they do, but it takes some brilliant metallurgist to make them.
It's still Jane's greatest pure strength feat, afaik.
it takes whatever that unknown element was that was accidentally introduced. It'd be cool if they did an arc about the history of all these materials. Something like Iron Man's Armor Wars....
Originally posted by -Pr-None of what you said applies to adamantium, though.
So 0.001 inch of adamantium is equal to 3 miles thick of it?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wolverine's claws are like a molecule thick.And they NEVER blunt or lose their edge.
Vibranium is weaker yes, but it's properties (of absorbing energy) mean that you have to take that into account.
Possibly Correct (I have to investigate the molecule bit though). Assuming that's true then you can't say that 3 miles of adamantium isn't more durable than say 0.001 inch of it. Am I right?
Originally posted by carver9
No way to downplay this showing H1. Invulnerability is invulnerability, no matter the size.
I didn't downplay anything. I ask for the greatest feat of its durability.
I see nothing but a bunch of circular reasoning in this thread (assuming a specific durability without proof).
Originally posted by h1a8
So 0.001 inch of adamantium is equal to 3 miles thick of it?Possibly Correct (I have to investigate the molecule bit though). Assuming that's true then you can't say that 3 miles of adamantium isn't more durable than say 0.001 inch of it. Am I right?
Because it is a metal that is pretty much magical. Your science has no power here!
But yeah. This is something you can't really apply logic to.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because it is a metal that is pretty much magical. Your science has no power here!But yeah. This is something you can't really apply logic to.
Precisely why adamantium is often called the "miracle metal".
Just like it would be a miracle if h1a8 started reading comics.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Erm....wow ok, way to be hostile!But yeah, you try applying real world science to adamantium. 😂
So it's applying real world logic by asking what's the best durability feat adamantium has? Don't we use feats to determine how powerful something is? We don't use no limit fallacies here.
Refusing to answer relevant questions to the thread is a form of trolling.
Also, 2 plates of adamantium takes more power to destroy than 1 plate. Therefore, 2 plates are more durable than 1 and thickness matters.
Originally posted by h1a8
So it's applying real world logic by asking what's the best durability feat adamantium has? Don't we use feats to determine how powerful something is? We don't use no limit fallacies here.Refusing to answer relevant questions to the thread is a form of trolling.
Also, 2 plates of adamantium takes more power to destroy than 1 plate. Therefore, 2 plates are more durable than 1 and thickness matters.
Oh wow, now you're saying I'm trolling? Dem's fighting words. Report me and we can see what mods think.
Lol. If I were trolling, you'd def know it. All I was saying was that adamantium defies real world logic, and yes, it hasn't seen a physical limit. Imagine how thin the coating on Wolverine's bones are.....and he's never had them broken, for example, despite being smashed repeatedly by WWH trying his best to KO him.
Don't put words in my mouth. I never said that asking for durability feats is apply RL logic 😂. I said that attempting to apply RL logic is attempting to apply RL logic....
Adamantium is a material that no matter how thin it is, it's durability is at max. Infinite, if you will. Like asking what is heavier, an infinite book or an infinite toilet roll.
But yeah, if you want to say that I'm trolling, stop pussyfooting around and do something about it and report me. If you're right and others see it the same, then sure, I'll publicly apologize. If not....well, I expect an apology lol.
Adamantium is not a pure element like Fe, Al, Pb and such. It is an alloy; a solid mixture of (mostly metallic) elements. This means that, in principle, no two patches of adamantium (or brass, or bronze, etc., for that matter) are exactly the same: there is always some experimental uncertainty involved in the amounts of the mixed components. For example: patch 1 might consist of 40.295% of component X, whereas patch 2 might have 39.855% of component X -- while pretty close, these patches are still different and thus have different hardness and other properties.
Therefore, there should be an almost continuous set of different qualities of adamantium. Apparently, there exists some "magical" ratio of the components X, Y, etc. which produces an incredibly hard and durable alloy. Some preparation methods produce adamantium whose composition, and maybe even components, differ from the optimal by quite a bit, resulting in subpar material. Whereas some other methods, due to better technology or simply sheer luck, produce better alloy.
Who knows, maybe there is some singular supercomposition to adamantium which no one in MU has yet been able to exactly discover and/or reproduce experimentally. I'm guessing Logan's stuff is pretty close, though.
Originally posted by carver9
She assisted in punching through an Adamantium/Vibranium door that was covered in magic shielding. Before this, she was crushing it with her bare hands.
Taking another look at Jane ripping through the adamantium/vibranium door. Did she use her fingers to rip through the door entirely by her own strength or was it partially assisted by the flying Mjolnir ? Kinda hard to tell.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh wow, now you're saying I'm trolling? Dem's fighting words. Report me and we can see what mods think.Lol. If I were trolling, you'd def know it. All I was saying was that adamantium defies real world logic, and yes, it hasn't seen a physical limit. Imagine how thin the coating on Wolverine's bones are.....and he's never had them broken, for example, despite being smashed repeatedly by WWH trying his best to KO him.
Don't put words in my mouth. I never said that asking for durability feats is apply RL logic 😂. I said that attempting to apply RL logic is attempting to apply RL logic....
Adamantium is a material that no matter how thin it is, it's durability is at max. Infinite, if you will. Like asking what is heavier, an infinite book or an infinite toilet roll.
But yeah, if you want to say that I'm trolling, stop pussyfooting around and do something about it and report me. If you're right and others see it the same, then sure, I'll publicly apologize. If not....well, I expect an apology lol.
I ask for the best durability feat for adamantium. You troll and state that we can't apply real world logic to adamantium. Wtf is that? What you said has nothing to do with what I asked.
Do you understand?
We don't use no limits fallacy unless something actually withstood the infinity.
We use feats to determine the level something is at. If x tons is the most character A has lifted under stress then x tons is the strongest he can be in a forum. We don't simply say that since character A has never shown a limit then their strength is automatically limitless or infinite. You know this. This is common sense. Sometimes you can argue out of stubbornness. I never seen where you admit that you were wrong.