Florida Sheriff tells residents to shoot looters that enter their home

Originally posted by Silent Master
Your numbers are way off https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/vdhb.txt

IOW, 1 of 4 cases of burglary when someone is at home involves "some form of violent victimization"

I don't think my numbers are off actually, your link supports my number of 1 million burglaries (with someone present) and while your link claims 430 (in which case I would be somewhat off), that data is from 2003-2007, and this fact check from 2017 supports the number I gave: "Every year, there are about 100 burglary homicides in the U.S" -

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/oct/25/michael-moore/michael-moore-flubs-stats-people-killed-guns-durin/

I'm being pedantic though, I think you have a valuable point, looking just as homicides is much too limited. There are other forms of violence that are much more likely. Still though, 1 in 4 cases have some form of assault, that could be pushing the person to get away, minor injury in 30% of these cases and major injury in 9%. It doesn't go into it how this changes if the victim was armed as far as I can tell.

Still, if you have a gun, that should probably change the chances somewhat, since you are unlikely to be killed at least, I do think some form of making noise or turning on lights is a reasonable first step, before shooting someone.

A very interesting stat pertaining to the question at hand is perhaps this: "One or more household members knew the offenders in some manner in 65% of the 266,560 burglaries that took place while someone
was present and experienced violence "

Like with many crimes (rape for example), rather than "stranger danger" it seems that it is people we know that are much more dangerous to us.

Your link was very informative, thank you for sharing it.

Originally posted by Artol
I don't think my numbers are off actually, your link supports my number of 1 million burglaries (with someone present) and while your link claims 430 (in which case I would be somewhat off), that data is from 2003-2007, and this fact check from 2017 supports the number I gave: "Every year, there are about 100 burglary homicides in the U.S" -

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/oct/25/michael-moore/michael-moore-flubs-stats-people-killed-guns-durin/

I'm being pedantic though, I think you have a valuable point, looking just as homicides is much too limited. There are other forms of violence that are much more likely. Still though, 1 in 4 cases have some form of assault, that could be pushing the person to get away, minor injury in 30% of these cases and major injury in 9%. It doesn't go into it how this changes if the victim was armed as far as I can tell.

Still, if you have a gun, that should probably change the chances somewhat, since you are unlikely to be killed at least, I do think some form of making noise or turning on lights is a reasonable first step, before shooting someone.

A very interesting stat pertaining to the question at hand is perhaps this: "One or more household members knew the offenders in some manner in 65% of the 266,560 burglaries that took place while someone
was present and experienced violence "

Like with many crimes (rape for example), rather than "stranger danger" it seems that it is people we know that are much more dangerous to us.

Your link was very informative, thank you for sharing it.

Your link is talking about the same study as mine, as shown by the link in your story. it's just being dishonest about how it frames the info

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
cool coping party. I brought lots of doritos

So basically lie to the police since I would use a flashlight (to indentify as well as temp-blind them) instead of blindly killing someone in the dark. at that point they would either attack or flee. you feel free to be dirty harry and lie to the cops (or accidentally kill a non-criminal), but remember: practice on big bananas

I obviously can't speak for everyone and I think asking to shoot ppl is foolish for a few reasons:

Most people that have guns generally use them (ie train.)

If the incident is a break in generally speaking I'd bet most ppl don't want to shoot anyone (fear would be a factor.)

With that said I would shoot a break in if it occured out of fear for potential hurting my family. With that said I have a dog to bark, security led lights on all night so if someone really wanted my shit then they are committed.

I mean c'mon the only person "allowed" to hit my son is me.....wah wah wah

Originally posted by Silent Master
Your numbers are way off https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/vdhb.txt

IOW, 1 of 4 cases of burglary when someone is at home involves "some form of violent victimization"

Shit, that's much much worse than I thought.

I don't like this data.

Originally posted by snowdragon
I obviously can't speak for everyone and I think asking to shoot ppl is foolish for a few reasons:

Most people that have guns generally use them (ie train.)

If the incident is a break in generally speaking I'd bet most ppl don't want to shoot anyone (fear would be a factor.)

With that said I would shoot a break in if it occured out of fear for potential hurting my family. With that said I have a dog to bark, security led lights on all night so if someone really wanted my shit then they are committed.

I mean c'mon the only person "allowed" to hit my son is me.....wah wah wah

Originally posted by dadudemon
Shit, that's much much worse than I thought.

I don't like this data.

And especially if you have a family and young kids...are you gonna take a chance? What would you do? Just call the cops?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Your link is talking about the same study as mine, as shown by the link in your story. it's just being dishonest about how it frames the info

They use your study in a different part, that is correct, but the 100 number, is a quote from an interviewed researcher and based on the 2015 FBI Crime statistics it seems. But it's not a point that's important to me, let it be 400 homicides, I don't think it significantly changes my view on the issue.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i would jump from the top of the stairs, bro. from the TOP right onto that motherf*cker, and then...did you ever see that last fight scene in "roadhouse" starring partick swayze? that, bro. i would do literally THAT. rip his throat right the f*ck out! then i'd fed-ex it in a box to his whore mother. RAAAAAAAAARRRRRRR!!!!! *flexes*

Why not just shoot them? Even a tiny frail old lady can shoot a gun and kill a potential violent robber with limited practice.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I have armed guards at the gate. Interestingly according to half the people here I should be dead by now 6 black men with AK 47'a on rotation, two who are muslims and all lovely chaps none have ever shot me. Two are ex Police, 4 ex army. Then I have an army outpost on the gate at the top of the road. Must be lucky I guess according to posters here and there great experience of the world.

Are you breaking into homes?

If not, no, they shouldn't shoot you.

Originally posted by Surtur
And especially if you have a family and young kids...are you gonna take a chance? What would you do? Just call the cops?

A tiny, beautiful, wife, that gets oogled and oggled in public. Yes, not a good scenario if I am not in the home.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i would jump from the top of the stairs, bro. from the TOP right onto that motherf*cker, and then...did you ever see that last fight scene in "roadhouse" starring partick swayze? that, bro. i would do literally THAT. rip his throat right the f*ck out! then i'd fed-ex it in a box to his whore mother. RAAAAAAAAARRRRRRR!!!!! *flexes*

Originally posted by dadudemon
Why not just shoot them? Even a tiny frail old lady can shoot a gun and kill a potential violent robber with limited practice.

only a pussy would need a gun to defend their home. are you a pussy?

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I have armed guards at the gate. Interestingly according to half the people here I should be dead by now 6 black men with AK 47'a on rotation, two who are muslims and all lovely chaps none have ever shot me. Two are ex Police, 4 ex army. Then I have an army outpost on the gate at the top of the road. Must be lucky I guess according to posters here and there great experience of the world.

As I have said Trump was correct in calling some places shit holes make no mistake the USA has shitholes that are fairly scary, I've not been to where you are so I can't speak to that but the USA has allowed parts of our country to go 3rd world and pretends the GDP dictates the success of the USA.

Originally posted by Artol
They use your study in a different part, that is correct, but the 100 number, is a quote from an interviewed researcher and based on the 2015 FBI Crime statistics it seems. But it's not a point that's important to me, let it be 400 homicides, I don't think it significantly changes my view on the issue.

I can't verify those numbers

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/burglary

Edit:Actually, I found it

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/expanded_homicide_data_table_10_murder_circumstances_by_relationship_2015.xls

But it also lists things like robbery and theft. nowhere does it say that the 102 is home burglaries and that none of the other categories include deaths due to criminals in the home.

Originally posted by snowdragon
As I have said Trump was correct in calling some places shit holes make no mistake the USA has shitholes that are fairly scary, I've not been to where you are so I can't speak to that but the USA has allowed parts of our country to go 3rd world and pretends the GDP dictates the success of the USA.

There are some places in this city that when you enter them it's like a demilitarized zone.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
only a pussy would need a gun to defend their home. are you a pussy?

I'll speak to this, I'm not and I love trolling too. No officer of the law will reach my family in any reasonable time from a phone call, with that said I've spoken on this topic in another thread.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
only a pussy would need a gun to defend their home. are you a pussy?

That is one of the dumbest things you’ve said yet.

I guarantee you, an individual high on PCP won’t be stop by mere punches or kicks. Hell even again depending on the caliber won’t stop said individual unless you go for head shot, which no one ever does. Everyone are train to shoot center mass and control pairs.

Originally posted by snowdragon
As I have said Trump was correct in calling some places shit holes make no mistake the USA has shitholes that are fairly scary, I've not been to where you are so I can't speak to that but the USA has allowed parts of our country to go 3rd world and pretends the GDP dictates the success of the USA.

Originally posted by Surtur
There are some places in this city that when you enter them it's like a demilitarized zone.

The converation fails to approach the fear of damage to family, the things you will do to protect yourself pail to how you will react to protecting those you love.