It wasn't a shove. It's barely a push. If you can't see that, then our eyes are seeing two different things, and this discussion is entirely pointless as we can't agree on objective truths.
I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, as I seem to be in the minority on this issue, but I just don't see that as a shove. The physics just don't look right to me.
Interesting stuff: https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1269318996278435841
Footage of the man who was 'shoved' earlier the same day day (same clothes, same appearance; clearly the same man), being criticised by other locals for apparently saying he was there 'for fun'. He's got a helmet with him — you can see it, and it doesn't look like a cycling helmet of any kind.
The person filming asks someone what's going on, this is the reply he gets from someone at the scene: "He [the man who later got 'shoved'] said he came down here 'for fun', what the **** is fun about this shit? [...] And I think he's looking to get punched in the face."
Really starting to feel I'm going to be vindicated in believing his reaction to the 'shove' is completely exaggerated.
Originally posted by Scribble
I just watched the video again. All cops involved seem to stay near the guy after the incident. The video ends shortly after so we don't know what their reaction was after this. The guy is okay and in a stable condition so clearly they didn't just leave him to die.
We clearly are not watching the same video
Originally posted by Scribble
Again, they stuck around and got him the help he needed. They did their job and the man, as far as we know, is fine. This is a non-issue and is just being used to demonise all police even further.
They did not do shit. If there job is Knocking an old man over on his for literally nothing then yes they did their job well👆
Originally posted by Scribble
It wasn't a shove. It's barely a push. If you can't see that, then our eyes are seeing two different things, and this discussion is entirely pointless as we can't agree on objective truths.I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, as I seem to be in the minority on this issue, but I just don't see that as a shove. The physics just don't look right to me.
He’s very tall and old. That’s all it takes to knock someone over at his age and height.
it's nice that broly and i can come to the occasional agreement. chainsaw home defense, the evils of physically assaulting the elderly...that's all i can think of at the moment, but it still warms the heart
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
I think we all need to go out and push over old people and do a scientific analysis on how much force it takes to put them on their frail old butts. Make sure you take into account if they have osteoporosis and end up breaking their hips or arms.
was waiting for this. you never disappoint 😂
Originally posted by truejedi
I love how hard he was shoved is being treated like it matters. Cops need a lesson in keeping their hands to themselves
agreed. even if they felt like being uncompromising hardasses, they could have escorted him aside and put him under arrest (for what i don't know, but it sure beats physically assaulting him)
Originally posted by BrolyBlackI'm confused. Do you mean I should concede that they "lightly pushed him"? Because I already said that. I take issue with the term 'shoved', because the video does not show a shove, it shows a push to get him out of their faces and to get him to stop touching them and blocking their path.
Concede that “they lightly pushed him”It’s not his fault he’s old and tall. The cops were wreckless and on power trip.
You know there are decent police out there that would have handled this better.
Yes, they could have easily handled this better. Imo, police in America aren't particularly great. They seem to have a habit of murdering dogs and kids at the slightest provocation, sometimes just shooting anything that moves. They also seem to get a pass just because their jobs are stressful (which they are, but that's not the point). I just think that people focusing on this case is silly when there are much worse cases at hand. This guy, according to eyewitnesses, was out there with the intention of being attacked, to make a point. Seems he succeeded.
I like how people are acting as if I'm condoning abuse of the elderly or police violence, when I've been pretty clear that I think this is mostly a setup on the part of the 'victim', something that is corroborated with video evidence.
But sure, go off with your non-sequiturs some more, show everyone how big yo brains are 👆
The police officers did indeed push him in intent. Little or without much force is still a push. They should just give the old man a warning or completely ignore him and move along. In the video, you can see the 2 officers were pushing him willingly but after doing so, the officer on the left felt a bit guilty and was about to help the old man but another officer from behind pulled him away. They had to have a brief verbal argument for that pushing to ensue. Police should be ready and trained to tolerate verbal attacks without resorting to physical violence. I think police don't have the right to push anyone or act at all unless the suspect has committed a crime and being non-compliant or resisting arrest or have suspicion they are taking out a firearm.
Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXxYeah, that one cop stopping his friend from checking on him is a major wtf. Also, the major issue seems to come from a third cop coming over and getting involved, that's bad policing.
The police officers did indeed push him in intent. Little or without much force is still a push. They should just give the old man a warning or completely ignore him and move along. In the video, you can see the 2 officers were pushing him willingly but after doing so, the officer on the left felt a bit guilty and was about to help the old man but another officer from behind pulled him away. They had to have a brief verbal argument for that pushing to ensue. Police should be ready and trained to tolerate verbal attacks without resorting to physical violence. I think police don't have the right to push anyone or act at all unless the suspect has committed a crime and being non-compliant or resisting arrest or have suspicion they are taking out a firearm.
Personally I believe that police have the right to move someone who is obstructing them out of their way with reasonable force. That way they don't need to detain them. A one-handed push is not a big deal to me. A shove, which is usually two-handed and done with intent to fell someone, is out of bounds as it has intent to harm.
Originally posted by Scribble
I like how people are acting as if I'm condoning abuse of the elderly or police violence, when I've been pretty clear that I think this is mostly a setup on the part of the 'victim', something that is corroborated with video evidence.But sure, go off with your non-sequiturs some more, show everyone how big yo brains are 👆