Originally posted by quanchi112
Minneapolis took measures legally to enact change. It is their community and their right to do so. We will see going forward how effective it is in the future but if chauvin did not do what he did this would not be happening. Change is necessary.
Thank you for contributing legitimately. Sincerely. 👆
Originally posted by Surtur
I think they are gonna alienate people if they don't get their message on track. Avoid words like defund, dismantle, abolish, etc.If anything more money will be needed for better training. And to equip ALL cops with body cams.
I will also add, like I said in another thread, make it so only someone who is at the police station can disable the camera. Make the cops out in the field unable to turn off their own cameras.
Originally posted by SurturNo one is arguing defund all police departments as a whole. This is only Minneapolis and what other city decides to do so is their right. This movement is changing the world. Change is never easy but it is necessary.
I think they are gonna alienate people if they don't get their message on track. Avoid words like defund, dismantle, abolish, etc.If anything more money will be needed for better training. And to equip ALL cops with body cams.
Originally posted by emporerpants
I hope you are correct. The only thing I worry about is the fact that the council is saying they aren't going to piece the police back together or just restructure them, they want a more radical change than that. If they do just want to restructure, I feel they need to do a better job explaining that, and avoid saying the things some if them have been saying. An example of the wrong thing to say is in Surter's article.But if they end up doing what you are saying Adam, then it could be helpful.
You cannot just piece the police back together. There are too many bad officers with bad training. That would just be shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic. It needs to be overhauled. So there will still be law enforcement officers, but their roles will be different, and their training will be different, and people will need to be evaluated for these new roles.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE👆
You cannot just piece the police back together. There are too many bad officers with bad training. That would just be shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic. It needs to be overhauled. So there will still be law enforcement officers, but their roles will be different, and their training will be different, and people will need to be evaluated for these new roles.
Originally posted by SurturI actually agree with that.
And also make it so if some prick cop gets fired in one city he can't just move to a city in a different state and get another job as a cop.
Originally posted by Adam_PoEI agree with that and I also agree with Quan, there, we can all get along sometimes.
You cannot just piece the police back together. There are too many bad officers with bad training. That would just be shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic. It needs to be overhauled. So there will still be law enforcement officers, but their roles will be different, and their training will be different, and people will need to be evaluated for these new roles.
Originally posted by SurturThe Justice in Policing Act of 2020 would ban chokeholds, establish a national database to track police misconduct and prohibit certain no-knock warrants, among a variety of steps.
And also make it so if some prick cop gets fired in one city he can't just move to a city in a different state and get another job as a cop.
In the democratic reform bill. Love that you love the Dems ideas.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
You cannot just piece the police back together. There are too many bad officers with bad training. That would just be shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic. It needs to be overhauled. So there will still be law enforcement officers, but their roles will be different, and their training will be different, and people will need to be evaluated for these new roles.
Thanks for the clarification. 👆 Sounds promising.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The Justice in Policing Act of 2020 would ban chokeholds, [B]establish a national database to track police misconduct and prohibit certain no-knock warrants, among a variety of steps.In the democratic reform bill. Love that you love the Dems ideas. [/B]
I don't disagree with or agree with 100% of any one sides ideas.