Originally posted by Darth Thor
3% ? Wow you guys are shitty.It's all well and good to say they care more about domestic issues rather than what's happening half way around the world, except that it's your tax payer money funding what's going on there, which could instead go towards say healthcare.
I think it's more to do with AIPAC's money though funding election campaigns than people just not choosing to show up.
The U.S. agreed to provide material support to Israel as a condition of it being recognized as a nation. It would take an act of Congress to change that, and Congress is controlled by Republicans, who support Israel as part of their Evangelical end times eschatology. Unless or until voters grant Democrats control of both Congress and the presidency, it is a non-starter. Hence, why it is not a deciding issue for Americans. Israel is a sovereign nation, whom we can influence, but do not control. They are going to do what they are going to do regardless, so we are not going to set ourselves on fire over here to keep Palestinians warm over there. Especially, considering it would not even have that affect.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Okay, but you can't really expect Protestors to just accept that and not pressure her for something better than Israeli's kill Gazan's slower instead of faster?
I expect them to learn how government works, and accept reality.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Voters have no leverage once she's in though. They know there's no changing Trump to a better position. How will voters turn the screws on her admin after?RFK is taking votes from Trump, but Kamala can still prevent Jill Stein and Cornell West taking votes from Dems. Hence why now is the time to put pressure on her.
Anyhow this was more about the way she reacted not what's the best tactical course for Palestine voters. That was her first real test of groups not supporting her, and the result was she needs to start acting more Presidential, and less butthurt like Trump would.
This is a failed strategy that has never worked. Hence, why there are no leftists in elected positions anywhere in government.
Candidates do not chase votes where they cannot get them. If you threaten to withhold your vote, then candidates write you off as a loss, and focus their efforts on voters who are winnable.
The way you influence candidates is by making yourself invaluable as a consistent and reliable voting block.
Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush ran on support for Palestine and lost, because the people who pretend to care about this issue did not turn up to vote for them. They toed the pro-Palestian line, and the pro-Palestian activists repaid them by handing them a defeat in districts they had previously won handily.
This demonstrates that this is a losing issue, and that the people who champion this issue will not turn up to vote for you, even when you put your neck on the line for them.
So you would have to be a total fool to even entertain this on the national level.
He's clearly panicking. I think there will be another reichstag fire before election day. He's probably cooking something up with Vince McMahon as I type this. He's already proven that he's not scared of juicing with a blade, so maybe this time it'll be a fullon "crimson mask" that'll make Ric flare go "Wooooooo!!!" (and to make Mick Foley yawn)
Of course Trump's panicking. Just three weeks ago he was up in nigh every swing state and all the talk was about how senile/weak Biden is and how "hero" Trump survived an assassination attempt.
Now he's down or virtually tied in most swing states, the Kamala honeymoon is still going and her VP pick is an average American dad type who most people could sit down and have a beer with, while Vance is a low-personality creeper type with a long history of shitting on Trump and sharing his cringe-worthy beliefs.
Trump just wants to go back to a month ago where seems-too-old-by-comparison Biden was his adversary and he was the strong hero/forever victim.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Israel is a sovereign nation, whom we can influence, but do not control. They are going to do what they are going to do regardless,
Well hard to say how sovereign they are given how much you guys fund them. You would only know if you stopped funding them.
FYI they have free healthcare, you don't. So even though you're supposed to be funding their military, that's less military spending from their own funds, which can go elsewhere. Hence you are basically funding this "sovereign" nation's free healthcare, when Americans don't have that themselves.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I expect them to learn how government works, and accept reality.
So they shouldn't protest?
Originally posted by Robtard
Of course Trump's panicking. Just three weeks ago he was up in nigh every swing state and all the talk was about how senile/weak Biden is and how "hero" Trump survived an assassination attempt.Now he's down or virtually tied in most swing states, the Kamala honeymoon is still going and her VP pick is an average American dad type who most people could sit down and have a beer with, while Vance is a low-personality creeper type with a long history of shitting on Trump and sharing his cringe-worthy beliefs.
Trump just wants to go back to a month ago where seems-too-old-by-comparison Biden was his adversary and he was the strong hero/forever victim.
Yeah he seemed very concerned about how Biden was screwed over lol.
Fact is Dems made the right call. If Republicans want a chance, they need to get rid of Trump. That nut job ain't beating KH.
The more I'm on X/Twitter, the more I feel it doesn't reflect real people. It seems to be full of Musk and Trump fanboys.
They're like "Even Musk who always voted Dems, is now supporting Trump. This proves how RADICAL Left the Dems have become.."
I ask them what their definition of "Radical Left" is but don't get much of a response.
Like is the UK Radical Left for giving free healthcare? I guess Denmark and Sweden are just Nazi communists?
Ridiculous.
If trump loses the fascist vote, his loss will be record-breaking. The gop married that pig. Once they dropped their masks completely, they took away many "moderate" republicans' ability to pretend it's not fascism. Basically trump could throw the N word at Harris and do a nazi salute at the debate, and not lose a single vote. However whenever he acted sensibly in any way, that would turn on him. Like when he said that people should get the COVID vax. He almost lost most of his base with that one simple move. the gop has always needed to play a two-faced game in order to keep courting that fascist vote while holding their base together. trump ended that, and now they are all locked in a death spiral. It's glorious 👆
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well hard to say how sovereign they are given how much you guys fund them. You would only know if you stopped funding them.FYI they have free healthcare, you don't. So even though you're supposed to be funding their military, that's less military spending from their own funds, which can go elsewhere. Hence you are basically funding this "sovereign" nation's free healthcare, when Americans don't have that themselves.
They are a sovereign nation according to international law, with or without U.S. funding.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
So they shouldn't protest?
They should do precisely what I said. Unless or until they make themselves invaluable as a consistent and reliable voting block, they are in no position to make demands.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
They are a sovereign nation according to international law, with or without U.S. funding.
Going by International Law they have absolutely no right to continue existing the way they are.
Anyway like I said, one way to find out. Cut their funding. Quit funding a nation with free healthcare when you don't have it for your own citizens ffs. Let alone to an apartheid state continuously building illegal settlements (Illegal by International Law).
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
They should do precisely what I said. Unless or until they make themselves invaluable as a consistent and reliable voting block, they are in no position to make demands.
Pretty sure they came close to getting Bernie in years ago long before the current bombing spree but the Dems ganged up against him. So there's more to this than you're making out.
Presently though I think there's a reason KH didn't go for Shapiro as VP, and why KH changed her tune in her very next rally (well let's face it her initial reaction to those protestors wasn't very professional). So she clearly thinks more of that voting block than you do.
So the protests and growing anti-Israel sentiment clearly is/are having an effect, even if Americans are generally behind most the rest of the world on this.
But they can at the very least be pressured to push as hard as possible for a two state solution (and an immediate ceasefire obviously). Let's face it, whichever President manages to get the 2 state done, will go down in History as a legend. That's gotta be motivation.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah he seemed very concerned about how Biden was screwed over lol.Fact is Dems made the right call. If Republicans want a chance, they need to get rid of Trump. That nut job ain't beating KH.
The more I'm on X/Twitter, the more I feel it doesn't reflect real people. It seems to be full of Musk and Trump fanboys.
They're like "Even Musk who always voted Dems, is now supporting Trump. This proves how RADICAL Left the Dems have become.."
I ask them what their definition of "Radical Left" is but don't get much of a response.
Like is the UK Radical Left for giving free healthcare? I guess Denmark and Sweden are just Nazi communists?
Ridiculous.
The American Right largely wanted Biden to drop out because they thought A) there would have been a shitshow scramble and disaster to find a new Democrat candidate B) Even if they went with Kamala the most likely choice, most of the country would have hated her
Neither of that happen, Democrats rallied in record breaking time and Kamala was overall well received. So they big mad because they got what they wanted, but it seemingly backfired.
Trump's coming to power has exposed the Republican party for what it is now, fascist loving Far-Right bootlickers. Staunch Republican conservatives like Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney and the memory of John McCain are "Lib Cucks" from their point of view.
They love to point to the "horrors" of a country like Sweden with its high tax rate, never mind that the people are healthy because of a robust healthcare system.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
The more I'm on X/Twitter, the more I feel it doesn't reflect real people. It seems to be full of Musk and Trump fanboys.
Twitter has become much more pushy about showing pro right wing accounts to people who don't normally engage such content - such as myself - since Musk took over. I'm a left wing person and I essentially go on twitter just to look at porn from time to time. But even I get bombarded by random right wing accounts on my feed even though I never actually engage them. Twitter, and really any online space, absolutely does not reflect reality.
Originally posted by BackFire
Twitter, and really any online space, absolutely does not reflect reality.
This was a big thing during the Scottish independence referendum. The twitter mob were convinced it was a sure thing that the vote would end up heavily in favour of a Yes vote because all the twitter polls were like 80% for independence. They were all oblivious to the fact that twitter isn't reality. It was an echo chamber and particularly a left wing echo chamber. There's very few places online that aren't these days.