Originally posted by truejedi
In a selfish way, every American should fight for BLM because groups of people being marginalized and erased is something every American should abhor. Tomorrow it could be your group dismissed by propaganda.
Why? I don’t really follow that mind set really. Show me in the US where a Black individual is denied a job, raise or anything base on their skin color?
Does it happen? I would say yes. But that margin is 1% or less. Do I want it to never happen? Yes. But that is useless thought process. Blacks are racist towards blacks. So how can you fight racism, when part of your own race are racist as well.
Here’s the thing about white liberals that lives in the West. They shout and scream, but the second their comfy life are shifted in the direction that no longer benefits them, they shut up.
These riots in the US proves my points. We have white liberals that lives in middle and upper class that say riots are good, but the second the riots come to their part of town, they say keep that shit away from us and go riot in the poor neighborhoods. If you don’t believe, just go on YouTube.
These same white liberals are also quiet when it’s been proven multiple times that Afrikaans are being sold into slavery in the Middle East in this day and age. Or that China is slowly buying Africa from the Afrikaans people.
I could care less what some liberals say, because the majority of them are nothing but snakes that uses minorities to help them live better lives, then tossed them aside when they no longer have any value.
I’ll say one more thing, we have plenty of these liberals on this board.
Originally posted by SquallXI don't understand how you can say all liberals or conservatives are snakes? I have many conservative friends. I admit we don't discuss politics. In the old days people used to avoid religion and politics. Always worth doing in real-life socially.
Why? I don’t really follow that mind set really. Show me in the US where a Black individual is denied a job, raise or anything base on their skin color?Does it happen? I would say yes. But that margin is 1% or less. Do I want it to never happen? Yes. But that is useless thought process. Blacks are racist towards blacks. So how can you fight racism, when part of your own race are racist as well.
Here’s the thing about white liberals that lives in the West. They shout and scream, but the second their comfy life are shifted in the direction that no longer benefits them, they shut up.
These riots in the US proves my points. We have white liberals that lives in middle and upper class that say riots are good, but the second the riots come to their part of town, they say keep that shit away from us and go riot in the poor neighborhoods. If you don’t believe, just go on YouTube.
These same white liberals are also quiet when it’s been proven multiple times that Afrikaans are being sold into slavery in the Middle East in this day and age. Or that China is slowly buying Africa from the Afrikaans people.
I could care less what some liberals say, because the majority of them are nothing but snakes that uses minorities to help them live better lives, then tossed them aside when they no longer have any value.
I’ll say one more thing, we have plenty of these liberals on this board.
Originally posted by truejedi
I don't think you said anything that was true at all in your post. For claiming to not like liberals, you sure seem to think you are qualified for half of them. But you seeks you saw it on youtube? Nevermind, you nailed it.
So which part was untrue again?
That Black are just as racist as any other races?
Or white liberals are making decisions that only benefits them?
Or that Africa is being bought slowing bu China?
Or Muslims are still grabbing Afrikaans and making slaves of them?
Or these riots are being used by white liberals who could not give a **** about Blacks as a way to control them?
So tell me which is wrong.
Originally posted by SquallXUnrelated to the discussion, I just wanted to point out that 'Afrikaans' is the name of the language developed by Dutch settlers in South Africa, not a term used for African people (or even people who speak Afrikaans, most of whom are called 'Afrikaners'😉.
So which part was untrue again?That Black are just as racist as any other races?
Or white liberals are making decisions that only benefits them?
Or that Africa is being bought slowing bu China?
Or Muslims are still grabbing Afrikaans and making slaves of them?
Or these riots are being used by white liberals who could not give a **** about Blacks as a way to control them?
So tell me which is wrong.
Originally posted by Scribble👆 very confusing the first time they invite you to a "Brie" and you find it's a barbecue. Worth reading a book called "The Ice Cream War" to get a feel for the weirdness that was colonialism in Africa just over a hundred years ago.
Unrelated to the discussion, I just wanted to point out that 'Afrikaans' is the name of the language developed by Dutch settlers in South Africa, not a term used for African people (or even people who speak Afrikaans, most of whom are called 'Afrikaners'😉.
Originally posted by dadudemon
It really isn't. That's how the data breaks down when using predictive analysis and that's covered quite thoroughly in my post.The fatal police encounters varies very strongly and directly with the amount of violent crime.
Yes it is very specific.
Again, George Floyd wasn't committing a violent crime. So won't be covered by your stats.
Neither was Rayshard Brooks.
Neither was Christian Cooper (wasn't committing any crime) when Amy Cooper reported him to the police with a big smile on her face and no shame at all. That's inherent racism in society which your stats won't tell. Stats can not measure racism. But when people see and feel it they will protest against it.
We also know as a fact that there are killings that happen over Stop and Searches. So again not represented by your stats which are very specific comparing total number of homicides to total number of violent crimes, as if homicides only happen when there's a violent crime involved.
And back to White Lives Matter, what's the inherent racism the White Live Matter folk are speaking out against?
None I take it. They are just acting like kids, butthurt at the idea of people fighting for black people to be treated equally.
On the other hand when white people are killed by white police, I doubt they are feeling they were killed due to the colour of their skin.
Originally posted by dadudemon
While you perform mental gymnastics to get away from uncomfortable facts about black violence in the US, we still have mountains of dead black bodies.Sometimes, taking the hardline SJW stance is actually the racist stance and it harms the victims. This is why I do not tolerate black violence blindness and call out the dishonest takes on the topic - black lives really do matter. Trying to perform mental gymnastics to avoid the mountain of dead young black men doesn't help black lives.
How is that mental gymnastics? You've presented your stats as facts about how many black people commit violent crimes. I just pointed out your stats only show how many black people are charged with violent crime.
As for the pile of dead black bodies, I assume you're referring to black on black crime? So are the black people being killed by police mostly killed due to police defending other black folk? Or is that another factor your stats are not covering?
Originally posted by dadudemon
I think part of it is police get so used to dealing with criminals all day long - the lying when caught, stealing, violence, depravity, etc. - that they start treating all humans with disdain. It's hard to keep your humanistic wits about you when interfacing with anyone in the public.
Definitely. Kinda seems like the 'chicken & egg' thing most of the time, people treat coppers like sh!t because coppers treat them like sh!t and vice versa. I feel there is serious indoctrination that happens to police personnel upon and within the first few years of joining from peers, superiors, etc, so no matter how honorable your intentions on joining, you'll have to become a team player eventually. That works both ways too. I'm from a working class area of a working class city and growing up it was always; 'don't talk to coppers', 'snitches get stitches' or 'grasses get gashes'.
Originally posted by truejedi
One problem i see is that technically, a case such as breonna taylor wouldn't be considered a homocide by police yet in those statistics, right? And george floyd wasn't considered one until protestors forced their hand.(Just asking, not trying to be all gotcha about it...)
It would. All deaths, not just the rightful deaths where a madman is killing people and won't stand down to police, count towards the police-homicides.
They break those numbers down even further by unarmed-kills and suicide by cop, too.
The data is pretty good. So good, that we know we have a white-male mental health problem in the US and they are killed the most out of all police-homicides. Yet another reason we need affordable UHC. I wonder how many of those mentally ill white guys have harmed black and brown people (by helping those white men, we may help the brown and black people, too - a win win).
Originally posted by truejedi
In a selfish way, every American should fight for BLM because groups of people being marginalized and erased is something every American should abhor. Tomorrow it could be your group dismissed by propaganda.
I think BLM should be thrown out for the garbage it is. It's a corrupt organization with no true intentions to save black lives.
They exist to protest the 10 unarmed black people killed by police when literally more than tat are killed each day by not-police.
Let's start a new movement that actually helps black people.
We'll call it, "No, really, black lives matter, too, and we are legitimately serious about helping black lives. We are not a shell company for the Democratic party."
We will call it: NRBLMT&WALSAHBGLWANASCFTDP movement.
Originally posted by Scribble
Unrelated to the discussion, I just wanted to point out that 'Afrikaans' is the name of the language developed by Dutch settlers in South Africa, not a term used for African people (or even people who speak Afrikaans, most of whom are called 'Afrikaners'😉.
It's an auto-correct on iOS if you misspell Africans in a weird enough way. He posts from an iOS device.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yes it is very specific.Again, George Floyd wasn't committing a violent crime. So won't be covered by your stats.
Neither was Rayshard Brooks.
Neither was Christian Cooper (wasn't committing any crime) when Amy Cooper reported him to the police with a big smile on her face and no shame at all. That's inherent racism in society which your stats won't tell. Stats can not measure racism. But when people see and feel it they will protest against it.
We also know as a fact that there are killings that happen over Stop and Searches. So again not represented by your stats which are very specific comparing total number of homicides to total number of violent crimes, as if homicides only happen when there's a violent crime involved.
And back to White Lives Matter, what's the inherent racism the White Live Matter folk are speaking out against?
None I take it. They are just acting like kids, butthurt at the idea of people fighting for black people to be treated equally.
On the other hand when white people are killed by white police, I doubt they are feeling they were killed due to the colour of their skin.
I don't know what you're talking about in all of this, right here. You're incorrect if you claim they are not covered in those stats: they are. Literally. It's literally the foundations of those stats. A black dead body is a black dead body and all those dead bodies are counted and broken out including the suicides in other data sets. I can't even comprehend what you are trying to accomplish, here.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
How is that mental gymnastics? You've presented your stats as facts about how many black people commit violent crimes. I just pointed out your stats only show how many black people are charged with violent crime.
By pretending like those dead bodies don't matter because they are of known crimes, you are performing mental gymnastics to avoid reality and it appears very racist of you and anyone who does that.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
As for the pile of dead black bodies, I assume you're referring to black on black crime? So are the black people being killed by police mostly killed due to police defending other black folk? Or is that another factor your stats are not covering?
In 70% of cases, yes. But 30% of those offenders are not black.
You DO know we also collect data on victimization, right?
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf
Why is it that you want to fight so strongly against the fact that black people are being murdered so much? It seems like such a racist stance to take. What is your real objective, here?