Originally posted by SquallX
Batman was based on Zorro to an extent.
there are a few similarities, it's a VERY small number. They're both wealthy, they both wear masks to protect/defend the innocent, they both wear black. That's where the similarities end. Batman is driven by trauma from his childhood, generated by the murder of his parents. He's based in fear and intimidation. Zorro enjoys what he does, Batman doesn't. period
I mean, if I said I was describing a fictional character, who would this be?
Dresses in black, with a cape and a half mask, by day he is a rich playboy, by night a hero....this character, named after an animal, operates out of his secret base located in a cave under his house, has a younger guy as his sidekick, and has trained himself to be the peak in his fighting skills.
Oh, and to get to his base, he uses a secret entrance hidden behind a grandfather clock in his house.
Guess who?
Originally posted by -Pr-
Among others yeah.Almost every major comic character in existence is based on something else, either inside or outside of comics. This isn't news.
This.
The problem with the "this character is unoriginal" argument is that it applies to nearly all known characters. Anatomically modern humans have existed for about 200, 000 years as far as we know, and we've been telling stories for about as long. Possibly longer if we include human species that didn't quite make the cut.
The only original characters were probably created by ancient weavers of lore in Africa, entertaining their tribe or imparting life lessons around the campfire. Even then, they may been influenced by stories from extinct human species.
Sure, blatant plagiarism exists, and it's one thing to criticize creators for that. Pulling a unique idea from the void is basically impossible though. You'll always be influenced from the outside world, even if it's just through cultural osmosis. I'm sure there's stories we could give basic rundowns of, despite never experiencing them ourselves.
Originally posted by abhilegend
😂Talk about missing the whole point of Superman.
😂 everything I SAID was a fact.
Tell me, How is Superman even remotely relatable? His morality is nothing like any humans. He is exempt from almost every single underlying psychological pinning that makes us who we are. Any real person who sees actual real humanity reflected through Superman is either delusional and/or has a very childish moral compass and I'ma pray for you the day reality shatters it
Batman , as absurd as his story execution has become (pis), is FAR more interesting, PERIOD. Thats not up for debate. The normal being who walks amongst gods because his will, intelligence, training and resources allow him to do so.
Superman is nothing but absurd. He's near invincible, near all powerful and actually is more hopeful and harder to daunt than Jesus himself. Nothing is interesting about a character more powerful than everyone around him, more moral, and such a great guy that he won't even rub either in your face. The idea that any being comprised of id and ego could be that powerful AND be such a Mary Sue personality is ****ing beyond absurd
Cut the nonsense out
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
😂 everything I SAID was a fact.Tell me, How is Superman even remotely relatable? His morality is nothing like any humans. He is exempt from almost every single underlying psychological pinning that makes us who we are. Any real person who sees actual real humanity reflected through Superman is either delusional and/or has a very childish moral compass and I'ma pray for you the day reality shatters it
Batman , as absurd as his story execution has become (pis), is FAR more interesting, PERIOD. Thats not up for debate. The normal being who walks amongst gods because his will, intelligence, training and resources allow him to do so.
Superman is nothing but absurd. He's near invincible, near all powerful and actually is more hopeful and harder to daunt than Jesus himself. Nothing is interesting about a character more powerful than everyone around him, more moral, and such a great guy that he won't even rub either in your face. The idea that any being comprised of id and ego could be that powerful AND be such a Mary Sue personality is ****ing beyond absurd
Cut the nonsense out
No, it wasn't.
The term "interesting" is a largely relative term, not an objective one, for starters.
And you quoted the hero's journey... and then used terrible examples.
All that said?
This is the wrong thread for such things. You've been told that several times. Now please, for the last time, stop.
Not that it has any particular relevance here, but I always liked Morrison's take on Superman:
Superman is so indefatigable a product of the human imagination, such a perfectly designed emblem of our highest, kindest, wisest, toughest selves, that my idea of the Bomb that could destroy all had no defense against him. In Superman, modern human beings had brought into being an idea that was invulnerable to all harm, immune to deconstruction, built to outsmart diabolical masterminds, made to confront pure evil and, somehow, against the odds, to always win.
In the realm of symbol, these, our imagined superselves, were indestructible. No god or devil could beat Superman in a fight. Ever. No heaven or hell could restrain him. Knock him down, blow him up, freeze him, lose him in time, or brainwash him.
A Vitruvian Man in a cape, Superman would attempt to distill the pure essence of pop culture's finest creation: baring the soul of an indestructible hero so strong, so noble, so clever and resourceful, he had no need to kill to make his point. There was no problem Superman could not solve or overcome. He could not lose. He would never let us down because we made him that way.
-Supergods
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
PR's like the only Superman fan that i can ACTUALLY have a decent/ LOGICAL convo with. the others I HAVE to DUMBER it down my god man
Originally posted by SquallX
Batman was based on Zorro to an extent.
And the Shadow, big time.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
😂 everything I SAID was a fact.
If only.
Tell me, How is Superman even remotely relatable? His morality is nothing like any humans. He is exempt from almost every single underlying psychological pinning that makes us who we are. Any real person who sees actual real humanity reflected through Superman is either delusional and/or has a very childish moral compass and I'ma pray for you the day reality shatters it
Yeah, how does someone trying to help others just because he is a good person equate to childish moral compass? Superman is far more relatable because you can actually emulate his character in real life that is helping others because you're genuinely a good person.
Batman , as absurd as his story execution has become (pis), is FAR more interesting, PERIOD. Thats not up for debate. The normal being who walks amongst gods because his will, intelligence, training and resources allow him to do so.
Yeah, a human who knows 127 martial arts, is an expert in everything, never actually works in business and inherited a large wealth is relatable but an immigrant who works hard for his job and is basically helping others because he wants to isn't.
That's like the most absurd logic ever.
Superman is nothing but absurd. He's near invincible, near all powerful and actually is more hopeful and harder to daunt than Jesus himself. Nothing is interesting about a character more powerful than everyone around him, more moral, and such a great guy that he won't even rub either in your face. The idea that any being comprised of id and ego could be that powerful AND be such a Mary Sue personality is ****ing beyond absurd
Cut the nonsense out
Yeah, you're right. Batman isn't moral (that no kill policy), isn't near invincible (Batman always wins is actually a thing in comics now) and doesn't boss everyone around (😂 ).
Your argument is more for Batman being that Mary sue character than Superman here.
Originally posted by Magnon
In BazieMarc's world Superman is truly a Quantum Superman. He exists in a superposition of being waay too powerful to be interesting and waay too overrated and weak to be able to fight the likes of Gladiator or Hulk, simultaneously. Schrödinger's cat is child's play next to BazieMarc's Superman.
In Bazi’s world, whatever he supposes is real even if someone observed and documented differently. You could slap his face with the dead cat out of the box and he’ll use the sting on his face as proof that the cat is alive .
Originally posted by StyleTime
Are we including of all time, or just recent characters?If it's the former, I'd nominate pre-boot Deathstroke tbh. The natural ebb and flow of forum fandom has leaned away from it, but he was wanked beyond belief for a hot minute there in the past. Forum Slade had Wolverine level healing with Flash level reflexes and Karate Kid skills and Spiderman's precog and such.
Everyone is focusing on heralds, but Slade threads were a huge pain at one point in time. Even recently, people still argued he could replicate movie Deadpool's absurd bullet deflection feat in X-Men Origins. Like...wut. Even movie Deadpool couldn't replicate his own feat again. It was that silly of a showing that it was officially called out in a later movie.
Lady Shiva and Midnighter(if he counts) might get honorable mentions, depending on who you ask.
I love a man who loves his street level characters.