Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Spiderman has a healing factor. Captain America has a healing factor. Hulk has a healing factor.Are you telling me none of them would be KOd (or worse, killed) by Logan stabbing them in the face? Better prove that. I provided a spectrum of people with worse HFs (Cap/Spidey) and better HFs (Hulk) than Rulk - the point being, they ALL have HFs, and they ALL would be KO'd/killed by Logan's claws in their head.
And yes, we disagree. Hulk has better healing feats than Rulk - Logan still KOed him with stabs to the head.
Comic physics or real world physics? I want to make sure you are being clear here, before you try and backtrack again.
I gave 2 (not 1) stipulations. Being fatally damaged without being koed or killed AND having a healing factor (regeneration not healing).
Comic or real world physics pertaining to what exactly? Logan claws obey both real world physics and comic physics. Unless you can show where they don't.
We are talking about being punched in the face stabbed. Not in the manner Hulk was stabbed in the head Although Hulk has received more damage than that Logan did and wasn't koed. Therefore, at Hulk's best hes not being koed that way either.
Originally posted by h1a8
Healing faster than a human is not a healing factor (aka 100% efficiency regeneration ability). Spidey and Cap do not have healing factors. Not officially.I gave 2 (not 1) stipulations. Being fatally damaged without being koed or killed AND having a healing factor (regeneration not healing).
Comic or real world physics pertaining to what exactly? Logan claws obey both real world physics and comic physics. Unless you can show where they don't.
We are talking about being punched in the face stabbed. Not in the manner Hulk was stabbed in the head Although Hulk has received more damage than that Logan did and wasn't koed. Therefore, at Hulk's best hes not being koed that way either.
Depends on how you define a "healing factor", actually.
There are healing factors that suck... and there are ones letting those characters regen from bare bones or ashes, even.
You would have a clue if you tried reading the comics.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWYou probably have some very good real life healing factor feats after some benders.
Depends on how you define a "healing factor", actually.There are healing factors that suck... and there are ones letting those characters regen from bare bones or ashes, even.
You would have a clue if you tried reading the comics.
Originally posted by h1a8
Healing faster than a human is not a healing factor (aka 100% efficiency regeneration ability). Spidey and Cap do not have healing factors. Not officially.I gave 2 (not 1) stipulations. Being fatally damaged without being koed or killed AND having a healing factor (regeneration not healing).
Comic or real world physics pertaining to what exactly? Logan claws obey both real world physics and comic physics. Unless you can show where they don't.
We are talking about being punched in the face stabbed. Not in the manner Hulk was stabbed in the head Although Hulk has received more damage than that Logan did and wasn't koed. Therefore, at Hulk's best hes not being koed that way either.
What Stilt said. There are different HFs, Cap and Spidey have also gone through both stipulations. As has Hulk.
So that's two characters, with better HFs (and actual official HFs, I cannot be bothered to look for the others) who have been KOd by stabs to the head. Hell, the character who is actually in this thread, Rulk, has been KOd with sufficient damage to internal organs, and took time to heal his eyes (something that DP/Hulk would laugh at). I mean, even Logan has been KOd by his heart exploding.
Adamantium is an alloy of vibranium, whic itself does not obey periodic law (as an example). Nor does it obey the laws of thermodynamics - the sheer amount of energy it contains, for example, without burning Panther's skin or emitting other forms of energy. If vibranium DOES absorb energy, then how does Panther move, for example - it should absorb all of his energy that he applies to it.
But all you ever do is ask others to prove things, without doing a lick of proof yourself, and all you ever do is react, rather than act. Prove that vibranium and its alloy adamantium are real, by telling me how to make it - IRL.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What Stilt said. There are different HFs, Cap and Spidey have also gone through both stipulations. As has Hulk.So that's two characters, with better HFs (and actual official HFs, I cannot be bothered to look for the others) who have been KOd by stabs to the head. Hell, the character who is actually in this thread, Rulk, has been KOd with sufficient damage to internal organs, and took time to heal his eyes (something that DP/Hulk would laugh at). I mean, even Logan has been KOd by his heart exploding.
Adamantium is an alloy of vibranium, whic itself does not obey periodic law (as an example). Nor does it obey the laws of thermodynamics - the sheer amount of energy it contains, for example, without burning Panther's skin or emitting other forms of energy. If vibranium DOES absorb energy, then how does Panther move, for example - it should absorb all of his energy that he applies to it.
But all you ever do is ask others to prove things, without doing a lick of proof yourself, and all you ever do is react, rather than act. Prove that vibranium and its alloy adamantium are real, by telling me how to make it - IRL.
You don't understand how comics work. We have variable showings. You can't ALWAYS use one scan to prove another. Deadpool has suffered far more damage than being stabbed in the head without being koed. So has Hulk. That SINGLE attack will not win for Wolverine in a forum fight against them period. And here's the kicker. If you can show Spidey or Cap being fatally damaged WITHOUT BECOMING KOED and prove that they officially have a regeneration ability (100% efficient healing to brand new) then you just proved that the attack won't work on them either in a forum fight.
Note: When I mean officially, I mean with intent of the writer. We have human level characters (like Frank Castle and Batman) that appear brand new in the body although they suffered great damage in the past that would leave permanent scaring on any human. But they DON'T have a regeneration ability. It's just how comics work.
The periodic law refers to elements, not compounds.
Adamantium isn't an alloy of vibranium. It was created WITHOUT the use of vibranium. Even if it was an alloy of vibranium then that doesn't guarantee having the same properties in real life as well as in comics (adamantium doesn't absorb kinetic energy like vibranium).
Originally posted by h1a8
You don't understand how comics work. We have variable showings. You can't ALWAYS use one scan to prove another. Deadpool has suffered far more damage than being stabbed in the head without being koed. So has Hulk. That SINGLE attack will not win for Wolverine in a forum fight against them period. And here's the kicker. If you can show Spidey or Cap being fatally damaged WITHOUT BECOMING KOED and prove that they officially have a regeneration ability (100% efficient healing to brand new) then you just proved that the attack won't work on them either in a forum fight.Note: When I mean officially, I mean with intent of the writer. We have human level characters (like Frank Castle and Batman) that appear brand new in the body although they suffered great damage in the past that would leave permanent scaring on any human. But they DON'T have a regeneration ability. It's just how comics work.
Indeed, I do.
And that is that if writers wish for adamantium to stab through anything, they can and will and have shown it. And if writers wish to attribute properties such as Hulk being KOed by a stab through the brain, then they will. If YOU want to assert Logan can't, then prove it with examples of Hulk SHRUGGING OFF head stabs. For these showings to be 'variable', you must have SOMETHING, right?
I have shown multiple times that Rulk gets badly affected by stabs/slashes. You want to assert writers intend for him not to be?
Prove it.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Indeed, I do.And that is that if writers wish for adamantium to stab through anything, they can and will and have shown it. And if writers wish to attribute properties such as Hulk being KOed by a stab through the brain, then they will. If YOU want to assert Logan can't, then prove it with examples of Hulk SHRUGGING OFF head stabs. For these showings to be 'variable', you must have SOMETHING, right?
I have shown multiple times that Rulk gets badly affected by stabs/slashes. You want to assert writers intend for him not to be?
Prove it.
Again Hulk has suffered GREATER damage than a single stab to the head without being koed. So has Deadpool. Therefore, they won't be koed with a single stab to the face in a forum fight.
Writer's only have the authority of having adamantium stab through anything of their creation or real life objects. They do not have the authority to have it stab through something of another companies creation (unless it is proven weaker than what adamantium already stabbed through).
Rulk has suffered fatal damage (damage that will kill a normal human) WITHOUT BEING KOED while having an official regeneration ability. Therefore, a stab to the face isn't necessarily going to ko Rulk in a forum fight.
Originally posted by h1a8
Again Hulk has suffered GREATER damage than a single stab to the head without being koed. So has Deadpool. Therefore, they won't be koed with a single stab to the face in a forum fight.Writer's only have the authority of having adamantium stab through anything of their creation or real life objects. They do not have the authority to have it stab through something of another companies creation (unless it is proven weaker than what adamantium already stabbed through).
Rulk has suffered fatal damage (damage that will kill a normal human) WITHOUT BEING KOED while having an official regeneration ability. Therefore, a stab to the face isn't necessarily going to ko Rulk in a forum fight.
Hulk has been stabbed with adamantium and suffered greater damage without being koed? Proof?
Because I have shown when he WAS stabbed, he was KOed. Adamantium (and the Hulk/Logan etc) obv don't exist IRL - so writer's intent is that Logan CAN KO Hulk with a stab to the head.
What is all that guff about other companies? I am talking about Logan vs Hulk - both Marvel. Logan vs Rulk - both Marvel.
As for Rulk - variable showings, and none of YOUR showings (or, more accurately, mine as you posted zero proof) had him being stabbed by adamantium/vibranium. In fact, the one time adamantium WAS used on him, it took him a while to heal. Logan was even using him as a climbing frame, casually stabbing and climbing up his back.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hulk has been stabbed with adamantium and suffered greater damage without being koed? Proof?Because I have shown when he WAS stabbed, he was KOed. Adamantium (and the Hulk/Logan etc) obv don't exist IRL - so writer's intent is that Logan CAN KO Hulk with a stab to the head.
What is all that guff about other companies? I am talking about Logan vs Hulk - both Marvel. Logan vs Rulk - both Marvel.
As for Rulk - variable showings, and none of YOUR showings (or, more accurately, mine as you posted zero proof) had him being stabbed by adamantium/vibranium. In fact, the one time adamantium WAS used on him, it took him a while to heal. Logan was even using him as a climbing frame, casually stabbing and climbing up his back.
The amount of damage is how this works, not where the damage comes from.
Being greater damaged without being koed contradicts being lesser damaged and being koed. Create a thread/poll. Will Hulk be koed with a single punch to the face by Logan with his adamantium claws?
This guff about other companies? It was my rebuttal to your statement that a company can have adamantium cut through anything they want. I showed that statement false with my guff about other companies.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ok, so we magically replace Hulk with Wolverine in each of Hulk's fights. Their opponents all fight as they did when they fought Hulk, i.e. if they traded blows with Hulk, they trade blows with Wolverine.How far does Wolverine get, assuming his opponents all fight the way they do against Hulk? So they don't go intangible (if they can), or stay 2 miles away and spam energy blasts etc. Imagine their most famous fights with Hulk in your head, but now with Logan.
1. Captain America
2. Namor
3. Abomination
4. Thing
5. Rulk (not the latest hour of power version, but back when he could absorb powers; when Hulk was fighting him)
6. Thor (who isn't staying on the other side of the globe and spamming lightning strikes etc, but is fighting like usual, up close and personal. No, against Nul isn't normal).
7. WWH SentryI'd put Gladiator but....he's been stabbed.
Where does Logan stop?
Bump
Originally posted by Stoic
Stops dead at 5. Sentry is too fast to be struck by the claw attack and Thor has attacks that would juggle Wolverine due to skill and raw power.
He fights Logan like he fought Hulk. So just as Sentry flew face first into Hulk's fist, he flies face first into Logan's fist.
Thor fights him the same way.