Replace Hulk in these fights!!

Originally posted by h1a8
So you don't know what I'm talking about? You never seen Frank with a vibranium/adamantium knife before? Don't troll me.

It is bordering common sense that sternums are weaker than skulls. Sternal fractures are very common from forces that wouldn't even fracture the skull.
At minimum, you have to prove that the sternum is at least as hard as the skull since you countered my "plunge a knife through the skull" with Frank stabbing through a sternum.

I know the instance you are talking about.

It is a different instance to here. So if you assert THIS instance is vibranium, you have to prove it.

As for sternums vs skulls, then again, prove it. They are made from the same material (bone), so if you assert they're different, prove it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I know the instance you are talking about.

It is a different instance to here. So if you assert THIS instance is vibranium, you have to prove it.

As for sternums vs skulls, then again, prove it. They are made from the same material (bone), so if you assert they're different, prove it.

Difference instance = he doesn't have it there?

Let's just say this. It's possible that it could be a vibranium/adamantium knife as shown before. Therefore, it's inconclusive that he stabbed through his sternum with a normal tactical knife.

You countered my "plunge a knife through the skull" with Frank stabbing through a sternum. Therefore, you have to prove that the sternum is at least as durable against stabbing than the skull is. Otherwise, it is inconclusive.

I takeback my claims.

Originally posted by h1a8
Difference instance = he doesn't have it there?

Let's just say this. It's possible that it could be a vibranium/adamantium knife as shown before. Therefore, it's inconclusive that he stabbed through his sternum with a normal tactical knife.

You countered my "plunge a knife through the skull" with Frank stabbing through a sternum. Therefore, you have to prove that the sternum is at least as durable against stabbing than the skull is. Otherwise, it is inconclusive.

I takeback my claims.

Because it's s completely different occasion, lol

Plus it had different properties to when Rulk was stabbed here.

Moreover, for your 'logic' to hold, you'd have to prove that whatever forces fracture a sternum, that exact same force WOULDN'T fracture a skull

As I said- sternum is made of bone. Same material as a skull. Ergo, they have the same properties.

But you take it back, or backtrack. Ok

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because it's s completely different occasion, lol

Plus it had different properties to when Rulk was stabbed here.

Moreover, for your 'logic' to hold, you'd have to prove that whatever forces fracture a sternum, that exact same force WOULDN'T fracture a skull

As I said- sternum is made of bone. Same material as a skull. Ergo, they have the same properties.

But you take it back, or backtrack. Ok

All bone isn't equal in strength. Ergo your conclusion doesn't follow. You have to show that the sternum is at least as equal to the skull. Plus Frank is superhuman in strength. My comment referred to human strength.

Originally posted by h1a8
Since it is proven that Frank had a vibranium/adamantium knife before then it is possible for that knife to be vibranium/adamantium. Therefore, it is inconclusive.

All bone isn't equal in strength. You have to show that the sternum is at least as equal to the skull.

It affected Rulk differently when it was explicitly shown to be vibranium. So the balance of proof is actually the other way.

Sternum and skull bones have different strengths? Please prove this.

Originally posted by h1a8
Since it is proven that Frank had a vibranium/adamantium knife

How is it proven?

You never proved anything on this site.

Scans or shut the fuck up.

Lol I think he thought that the vibranium knife incident came BEFORE my scan?

Frank's standard gear do not include adamantium/vibranium weaponry, period.

God kills a school teacher each time he sees a new h1 post.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It affected Rulk differently when it was explicitly shown to be vibranium. So the balance of proof is actually the other way.

Sternum and skull bones have different strengths? Please prove this.

You are asserting that the sternum is at least equal to the skull since both are made of bone. The conclusion doesn't follow since all bones have different strengths.

Frank is superhuman in strength. My comment was referring to normal human strength.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
How is it proven?

You never proved anything on this site.

Scans or shut the fuck up.

I'm in a discussion with DS, not you. He knows what I'm talking about. No scans are needed.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Frank's standard gear do not include adamantium/vibranium weaponry, period.

God kills a school teacher each time he sees a new h1 post.

Frank didn't lose the vibranium/adamantium knife he had. Ergo he still has it TODAY. But he might have used a standard knife in the Rulk scene and not have acquired it then.

Originally posted by h1a8
You are asserting that the sternum is at least equal to the skull since both are made of bone. The conclusion doesn't follow since all bones have different strengths.

Frank is superhuman in strength. My comment was referring to normal human strength.

Then prove they have different strengths.

Frank is still a mere human. Not superhuman.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then prove they have different strengths.

Frank is still a mere human. Not superhuman.

You have to honestly believe that ALL bone have exactly the same strength for me to prove anything. You don't believe this, therefore you are trolling here.

It's below you to argue semantics.
Frank has superhuman strength, just like Batman, Daredevil, Elektra, etc.
My comment was referring to normal real life human strength. Not a comic human with superhuman strength.

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm in a discussion with DS, not you. He knows what I'm talking about. No scans are needed.

It's a public forum, you autistic freak. And he is toying with you.

Fresh additions to Frank's gear that got added a whole decade later (and still aren't meant to be standard equipment) obviously don't count in this discussion.

Stop trolling.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It's a public forum, you autistic freak. And he is toying with you.

Fresh additions to Frank's gear that got added a whole decade later (and still aren't meant to be standard equipment) obviously don't count in this discussion.

Stop trolling.

You are arguing semantics. Does Frank still possess the vibranium knife today? Yes, because no where did it show he lost it. And it doesn't make sense to discard something as useful as it for no good reason. Did Frank have the vibranium knife in the Rulk scene? Probably not since there is no evidence that he acquired it by then.

So, you admit you derailed the thread on purpose, as you always do?

Good to know.

Now get the fuck out and hang yourself in front of your students or something.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
So, you admit you derailed the thread on purpose, as you always do?

Good to know.

Now get the fuck out and hang yourself in front of your students or something.

You ask me a question and then answer it for me? Troll post.

No I was going by memory that Frank had once used a vibranium knife. Didn't know the exact comic or when it took place. So I assumed it was a possibility that he used it on Rulk as well. I recently found the comic (it was a later comic) where Frank used the vibranium knife.

Originally posted by h1a8
You have to honestly believe that ALL bone have exactly the same strength for me to prove anything. You don't believe this, therefore you are trolling here.

It's below you to argue semantics.
Frank has superhuman strength, just like Batman, Daredevil, Elektra, etc.
My comment was referring to normal real life human strength. Not a comic human with superhuman strength.

So wait.

You are ignoring RL physics and human biology, in favour of .....comic book physics and human biology? Punisher gets comic book human feats, and we ignore what his limits would be 'IRL'?

But when it comes to adamantium (which is what is being discussed here), you are all about RL physics?

I noticed, too, that you were perfectly willing to attribute Frank's stabbing of Rulk to the comic book properties of a fictional metal, yet, the original point which spun ALL of this out:

Originally posted by h1a8
He doesn't need any stupid. Piercing is all about pressure. Learn science. Hes a top tier in strength and a physical peer to Thor or greater. Unless you think a human can take a tactical knife and plunge it in his skull just because you think he has no piercing durability showings.

If you think Logan can just slice Rulk's head in half with a simple swipe across the face then make a poll. Lets see who is the idiot.

You wish to suddenly focus on 'science'. Adamantium (as used by Logan) ignores all of this 'science'. Thanos' skin can withstand him being teleported into a star/black hole/comic book astronomical object, yet Logan can pierce his skin.

Moreover, against Rulk (as an example), he wouldn't 'just' be swiping. 2nd hit Hulk deals (which would be the 2nd hit Logan deals): it would be through Rulk's skull:

ON TOP of all of this, Logan's claws are harder and sharper than Punisher's knife. Logan is also stronger than Punisher. So all these little red herrings you are trying to throw with skull bones/sternum strength, is all ultimately futile - as YOU state, learn some science. Piercing is all about pressure. Wolverine is much stronger than Punisher, and has sharper claws (a smaller surface area) and stronger claws (less deformation of material, so a more efficient transfer of energy).

By the way, sternums and skull bones are made of the exact same type of bones. Just by the by:
https://www.healthline.com/health/flat-bones#flat-bone-examples

Edit: for there to be a point, you'd have to prove there is SUBSTANTIAL strength differences between skull bones and sternums. Because I can prove there is a substantial difference between Punisher and Logan's strength levels, not to mention adamantium claws and his knife.

One more thing.

The 2nd/3rd hit Hulk (for this thread, Logan) dealt to Rulk in the scan above, is a recreation of THIS punch:

So whilst the Hulk/Rulk art may look inconclusive, the 'original' punch that the Hulk was recreating is a full on hit, no swiping/hooking with the fist.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So wait.

You are ignoring RL physics and human biology, in favour of .....comic book physics and human biology? Punisher gets comic book human feats, and we ignore what his limits would be 'IRL'?

But when it comes to adamantium (which is what is being discussed here), you are all about RL physics?

I noticed, too, [b]that you were perfectly willing to attribute Frank's stabbing of Rulk to the comic book properties of a fictional metal, yet, the original point which spun ALL of this out:

You wish to suddenly focus on 'science'. Adamantium (as used by Logan) ignores all of this 'science'. Thanos' skin can withstand him being teleported into a star/black hole/comic book astronomical object, yet Logan can pierce his skin.

Moreover, against Rulk (as an example), he wouldn't 'just' be swiping. 2nd hit Hulk deals (which would be the 2nd hit Logan deals): it would be through Rulk's skull:

ON TOP of all of this, Logan's claws are harder and sharper than Punisher's knife. Logan is also stronger than Punisher. So all these little red herrings you are trying to throw with skull bones/sternum strength, is all ultimately futile - as YOU state, learn some science. Piercing is all about pressure. Wolverine is much stronger than Punisher, and has sharper claws (a smaller surface area) and stronger claws (less deformation of material, so a more efficient transfer of energy).

By the way, sternums and skull bones are made of the exact same type of bones. Just by the by:
https://www.healthline.com/health/flat-bones#flat-bone-examples

Edit: for there to be a point, you'd have to prove there is SUBSTANTIAL strength differences between skull bones and sternums. Because I can prove there is a substantial difference between Punisher and Logan's strength levels, not to mention adamantium claws and his knife. [/B]

I don't know what you are getting at. My point was human level strength (real humans) isn't enough to plunge a knife into Rulk's skull. It had nothing to do with the material of the blade but rather strength exerted. Obviously I'm in agreement that the harder and sharper a knife is then the easier it can penetrate (both comic physics and RL agree on that). That's why a vibranium/adamantium knife is completely different than a real knife.

Red Herrings? You are forgetting my point. I'm ultimately claiming that Logan CANNOT swipe through Rulk's skull. Yes he can stab through it though. Stilt then disagreed without explicitly saying so. So we got into a discussion about whether Rulk needing cutting resistance feats to show that he can resist SOME level of cuts (like a REAL human plunging a knife into his skull).

So you are confusing the arguments. That usually what happens when an outsider gets in on a discussion two other people are having.

In summary, the argument is that a very high class 100 being has superhuman cutting resistance (other than WW) without having to have cutting resistance feats. Doesn't mean they can't be cut, just not as easily as a human. And I still stand by that no real life human can plunge a normal steel knife into Rulk's skull.

No moving the goalpost, no more missing the point. If Logan punched Rulk straight on then yes his claws will penetrate Rulk's skull. I agreed to that on day 1.

But ill add this. I don't think it would put Rulk down (he would heal).

That's the thing.

You are attempting to add RL logic to Adamantium. On the forum, however,feats are needed for fictional characters - if you don't have them, RL logic is useless, especially when magical metals like Adamantium are involved. I didn't confuse the arguments.

And it would put him down. Because he doesn't have the healing feats.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's the thing.

You are attempting to add RL logic to Adamantium. On the forum, however,feats are needed for fictional characters - if you don't have them, RL logic is useless, especially when magical metals like Adamantium are involved. I didn't confuse the arguments.

And it would put him down. Because he doesn't have the healing feats.

There us no such thing as RL logic. It's logic period. It governs ALL DEBATING. Adamantium doesnt disobey the laws of physics. If you disagree, then which laws does it not obey. Rulk has been stabbed in the heart and greatly injured many times.Yet he always appear freshly healed. I believe that Rulk will be fine after being stabbed once in the head.