Originally posted by cdtm
PIS.Logan himself said Hulk was too tough for his claws, and the best he did on Thor was to scratch his arms.
WWH was too tough. Not 'normal' Hulk. Wolverine has stabbed him plenty of times. But again - what does Hulk have to do with Namor's durability? Thing's?
And as for Thor, Thor himself said that he wouldn't last long against Logan.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
WWH was too tough. Not 'normal' Hulk. Wolverine has stabbed him plenty of times. But again - what does Hulk have to do with Namor's durability? Thing's?And as for Thor, Thor himself said that he wouldn't last long against Logan.
I'm talking about Logan's first meeting with Hulk. The one the What If riffed off of.
Hulk's skin was too durable, according to Logan's thought captions.
Originally posted by cdtm
I'm talking about Logan's first meeting with Hulk. The one the What If riffed off of.Hulk's skin was too durable, according to Logan's thought captions.
OK cool.
In any case, my post still stands. Logan has stabbed Hulk plenty of times, not that Hulk's attributes transfer to Namor et al.
H1 DID have a point, which is, what conclusions can we draw from this thread?
For me, it appears:
1. A lot of Hulk's fights are stupid, in terms of the characters. As Smurph said, unless Logan's claws are invisible, Cap should dodge. But then, the Hulk's fists aren't invisible, and none of these opponents usually dodge. If fighting Logan in h2h is stupid, surely fighting Hulk in h2h is also stupid?
2. No one, up until now, has said that Logan is too slow to enact his attacks. Does that mean Logan and Hulk are similar in speed?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Eh? I always did say that the fights are as depicted when they fought the Hulk; only, instead of the Hulk punching, it is Logan; instead of kicking Hulk, they kick Logan (if it happened).Not sure how this is a 'new stip'.
I even clarified on page 2 of this thread, well within the limits as described in forum rules:
Only, instead of someone being punched by the Hulk, one is being punched by Logan with his claws extended fully.
As for the 'hidden truth'?
Page 1.
You only clarified the actions the characters will make, you didn't add stupid physics to the fight. Namor punching Logan (particular action) is totally different than saying Logan feet is glued to the ground and can't move no matter how hard he's struck.
But you have robots fighting now. I still don't see the purpose. Why not have a slugfest where Logan and other character takes turns hitting each other.
As far as mechanics
Logan might not tall enough to reach Rulk's head with his claws. How would that work? Do we pretend he is tall enough? Then How would the fight play if Logan takes their eyes out with a punch? Do they pretend their eye isn't slashed out and precede with the other actions of the fight that happened in the comic like robots? Or do they change course of action?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
H1 DID have a point, which is, what conclusions can we draw from this thread?For me, it appears:
1. A lot of Hulk's fights are stupid, in terms of the characters. As Smurph said, unless Logan's claws are invisible, Cap should dodge. But then, the Hulk's fists aren't invisible, and none of these opponents usually dodge. If fighting Logan in h2h is stupid, surely fighting Hulk in h2h is also stupid?
2. No one, up until now, has said that Logan is too slow to enact his attacks. Does that mean Logan and Hulk are similar in speed?
But don't you want both characters to "act" out the comic fight exactly, like they're actors in a movie? Wouldnt Namor have to allow Logan to hit him in the face, even if Logan swings much slower than Hulk and could possibly dodge it if he wanted?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
H1 DID have a point, which is, what conclusions can we draw from this thread?For me, it appears:
1. A lot of Hulk's fights are stupid, in terms of the characters. As Smurph said, unless Logan's claws are invisible, Cap should dodge. But then, the Hulk's fists aren't invisible, and none of these opponents usually dodge. If fighting Logan in h2h is stupid, surely fighting Hulk in h2h is also stupid?
2. No one, up until now, has said that Logan is too slow to enact his attacks. Does that mean Logan and Hulk are similar in speed?
In the sense that Hulk is slow or fast?
Originally posted by h1a8
You only clarified the actions the characters will make, you didn't add stupid physics to the fight. Namor punching Logan (particular action) is totally different than saying Logan feet is glued to the ground and can't move no matter how hard he's struck.But you have robots fighting now. I still don't see the purpose. Why not have a slugfest where Logan and other character takes turns hitting each other.
As far as mechanics
Logan might not tall enough to reach Rulk's head with his claws. How would that work? Do we pretend he is tall enough? Then How would the fight play if Logan takes their eyes out with a punch? Do they pretend their eye isn't slashed out and precede with the other actions of the fight that happened in the comic like robots? Or do they change course of action?
Logan isn't bound to the same rules, as I said. If he needs to leap up to reach their eyes (assuming he needs to to replicate Hulk punching Rulk in the face), then he does so.
As I said:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
They're not grabbing Logan's hands in this gauntlet.They're fighting him like they do against the Hulk. So for example, in WWH, if Sentry grabbed Hulk's hands and held him in place then he can do so here.
But if he flew into Hulk and traded punches, then that's what happens here.
Of course, Sentry being the last in the gauntlet makes him the toughest and most debatable.
So against Namor, for example, it would go like this:
Wolverine hits Namor full in the chest.
Then they trade blows, so Logan is stabbing Namor some more.
Would Namor recover in time to deliver a blow to Wolverine's head? When injured like he would be from a full stab, would it even be effective? Then Wolverine can keep fighting.
Against WWH Sentry, Sentry will speed blitz Wolverine, smashing him through buildings etc....would Logan recover in time for the panel where Hulk punches SEntry square in the head? ('Whatever happens next....is on your head, bub'😉
https://imgur.com/a/C31HP
If Hulk wasn't lifted off his feet and thrown back 100s of feet away, Logan isn't. Now you can debate and say 'Oh, maybe it was PIS, or maybe the puncher didn't want to deliver enough force to make Hulk fly 100s of feet', whatever - but the main point is, we have replaced Hulk with Logan.
With regards to your questions, do you think it would simply end with a mere eyes out? That Logan can't stab all the way into Rulk's head, ending the fight?
Originally posted by h1a8
But don't you want both characters to "act" out the comic fight exactly, like they're actors in a movie? Wouldnt Namor have to allow Logan to hit him in the face, even if Logan swings much slower than Hulk and could possibly dodge it if he wanted?
Does Namor 'allow' Hulk to hit him in the face, then? This is my point - yes, it sounds stupid to get hit in the face by Logan's claws - but then, it is also stupid to get punched in the face by the Hulk, lol.
You talk about crappy comic physics - are you really going to suggest that Hulk's punches are that much faster (yes, I know F=MA)? If so, I would like to see hard numbers FROM COMICS that state this. Again, Namor and the others have all also faced Logan before, and he had zero trouble tagging them (Thor even says that Logan is too fast for him).
Originally posted by cdtm
In the sense that Hulk is slow or fast?
Yes.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Logan isn't bound to the same rules, as I said. If he needs to leap up to reach their eyes (assuming he needs to to replicate Hulk punching Rulk in the face), then he does so.As I said:
If Hulk wasn't lifted off his feet and thrown back 100s of feet away, Logan isn't. Now you can debate and say 'Oh, maybe it was PIS, or maybe the puncher didn't want to deliver enough force to make Hulk fly 100s of feet', whatever - but the main point is, we have replaced Hulk with Logan.
With regards to your questions, do you think it would simply end with a mere eyes out? That Logan can't stab all the way into Rulk's head, ending the fight?
You can quote yourself until you are blue in the face. No where did it mentions that the stupid physics would be the same (characters feet glued to the ground) or that Logan will jump to punch. You didn't think about these things (just like the writer didn't). You are simply making stuff up as you go.
With that said, I can see Logan not being able to cut through Rulks skull with a swipe (a stab yes). But he can cut tissue and flesh (eyes, throat, etc with a swipe). So how would the fight continue if Rulk or Thors eye is out? Do they change actions now? Or pretend it didnt happen, like robots?
If Wolverine were to strike any other than Sentry, it could be fatal, or result in decapitation. Due to his skeletal strength, Wolverine is one of the most deadly physical strikers in all of comics. He is among the only characters that can take what he dishes as well, as far as being able to survive being assaulted by cutting/piercing attacks.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Does Namor 'allow' Hulk to hit him in the face, then? This is my point - yes, it sounds stupid to get hit in the face by Logan's claws - but then, it is also stupid to get punched in the face by the Hulk, lol.You talk about crappy comic physics - are you really going to suggest that Hulk's punches are that much faster (yes, I know F=MA)? If so, I would like to see hard numbers FROM COMICS that state this. Again, Namor and the others have all also faced Logan before, and he had zero trouble tagging them (Thor even says that Logan is too fast for him).
Yes.
So Namor is allowed to dodge Logan IF Logan's punch is way slower than Hulk's where Namor can react?
Originally posted by Stoic
If Wolverine were to strike any other than Sentry, it could be fatal, or result in decapitation. Due to his skeletal strength, Wolverine is one of the most deadly physical strikers in all of comics. He is among the only characters that can take what he dishes as well, as far as being able to survive being assaulted by cutting/piercing attacks.
Shouldn't matter how sharp those claws are.
You can give a person the sharpest object in the world, but some things you still need strength to penetrate. And Logan does not have super human strength.
Flesh wounds on Thor are far better writing than lopping off an arm.
Originally posted by StoicWrong
If Wolverine were to strike any other than Sentry, it could be fatal, or result in decapitation. Due to his skeletal strength, Wolverine is one of the most deadly physical strikers in all of comics. He is among the only characters that can take what he dishes as well, as far as being able to survive being assaulted by cutting/piercing attacks.
Originally posted by h1a8
You can quote yourself until you are blue in the face. No where did it mentions that the stupid physics would be the same (characters feet glued to the ground) or that Logan will jump to punch. You didn't think about these things (just like the writer didn't). You are simply making stuff up as you go.With that said, I can see Logan not being able to cut through Rulks skull with a swipe (a stab yes). But he can cut tissue and flesh (eyes, throat, etc with a swipe). So how would the fight continue if Rulk or Thors eye is out? Do they change actions now? Or pretend it didnt happen, like robots?
I guess I just overestimated your intelligence, and didn't think I needed to clarify
Originally posted by cdtm
Shouldn't matter how sharp those claws are.You can give a person the sharpest object in the world, but some things you still need strength to penetrate. And Logan does not have super human strength.
Flesh wounds on Thor are far better writing than lopping off an arm.
Logan does have superhuman strength. Do regular humans pick up motorcycles?