Originally posted by dadudemon
I agree with all of this. That's also my issue with Libertarianism.Unchecked libertarianism just ends up in a corporatocracy.
It ends up being the opposite of libtertarianism in function. The more "free" the market, the less free the market becomes as it becomes dominated by unchecked corporate powers. The corporations game right now is to appeal to be as woke as possible because the modern world is high as f*ck on self-righteous "woke culture." Everyone is vying to outdo the last on how woke they can be.
The only way to combat this is to get rid of at-will employment, make it illegal to punish and/or terminate someone based on the things they do outside of their job (but if they are on the clock using company resources and they post racist shit, fire them with extreme prejudice).
The only exception would be a job that is specifically and directly about public relations and public image. None of this indirect loophole crap where an employer tries to say "well, everyone employee represents our public image so 24/7, they must do, act, and say in the way that we deem is best." How about no? Since those positions consistently change, you're not able to predict what your employer will demand 10 years down the road when it is now considered woke to allow yourself to be cock-slapped in the face by a transgendered hobo. "You are sexually repressed and your male privilege is unchecked! You MUST do and say as we dictate! How bigoted of you to unrighteously judge the transgendered homeless!"
We must regulate employers to bring them closer to equality with employees.
The UK is already ahead of us - I love it. I loved hiring people from the UK. We had to have employment contracts and part of the hiring process was negotiating those things. At one of my old jobs, the CFO tried to fire the director of the European market just because that director consistently pointed out when the CFO would make stupid, financially, unsound decisions (odd, right?). The CFO could NOT fire him because of the details in his contract. I loved it so so so so much! It was the best thing ever!
That's basically just what happens when 'freedom' is held above all, without understanding the true nature of liberty. I was a teenage anarchist until my much smarter friend explained that with no governmental systems, that just means that new ones will appear with time, and usually much more barbaric and violent ones. That goes for unrestricted freedom on business, too. Tyrants will use whatever existing power systems there are to rise to the top; I think we can already see that everywhere across the Western world. The way that these corporations are backing all the social change at the moment just proves how we're being gamed; anything could happen, and they'll still be at the top of the pile.
I agree with all of the employment stuff — although I'm not that hot on that side of politics, the whole idea of being fired for your general political beliefs is pathetic, and is increasingly being weaponised by the left in the same way we were talking about before. I have a separate twitter account for my political stuff just in case, as I enjoy being provocative and controversial on twitter (I mostly use it to gauge the ongoing state of digital society and how much it's spilling over into 'the real world'😉. That's the thing about employers: if they are fully unregulated, then they'll just create new regulations themselves, and regulate the people. I think that's far more concerning than the being regulated by governmental bodies that can be held to account publicly.
I'm glad to hear the UK is better for that kind of thing, you probably know I'm a Britlander. It gives me a lil piece of mind in this ever more chaotic world.
Originally posted by Surtur
Okay DDM the gauntlet has been thrown down.Can you overcome this wikipedia paragraph he copied and pasted?!
I have to laugh at people who quote wikipedia as if it's some kind of reliable source lol.
Anyway, nearly every policy of the Nazis we in the US would consider to be left-leaning. Rob and pooty can quote all the BS left-wing biased sources they like but it'll never change the fact that the nazis were on the left.
I'm hesitant to label the Nazis either 'left' or 'right'. They're more or less just a boogeyman now, one that can be used by either leftists or rightists as a weapon to win debates.
Hitler was an opportunist who wormed his way to the top of a pre-existing socialist party and changed its very nature to suit his own political needs, which borrowed from across the political spectrum in a very slapdash way. Nationalism is often a more right-wing trait, for example. But he was also heavily an imperialist in his expansionism, which is a trait that existed before the modern right-left dichotomy came about, and I'd say his imperialism defines the Nazis more than most other things.
Using the left-right system to define a probable madman's ideals doesn't seem entirely sensible to me.
It's easier with someone like Mussolini, who was definitively right-wing, or Stalin, who was definitively left-wing. Hitler was more of a chaotic assembly of disparate ideals mashed into one twisted mind.
Leftists love to cling to the fact that Hitler was a nationalist as if that somehow ends the argument and proves he was a right-winger . All of our founding fathers were nationalists. Lincoln was a nationalist. Hell, even Ghandi was a nationalist lol. According to the idiotic left-wingers that fact alone would make Ghandi "far right" lol.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnaeYeah, the thing that pisses me off is that it's used to completely smear the very concept of nationalism. I hold civic nationalist beliefs and believe in the concept of the nation state as an ideal basis for a society. But now even the very mention of the word 'nationalism' sends people into screeches of "NAZI!" It's pathetic.
Leftists love to cling to the fact that Hitler was a nationalist as if that somehow ends the argument and proves he was a right-winger . All of our founding fathers were nationalists. Lincoln was a nationalist. Hell, even Ghandi was a nationalist lol. According to the idiotic left-wingers that fact alone would make Ghandi "far right" lol.
But it's totally okay to be a socialist lmao. That's fine, despite that also being a part of Hitler's shtick, not to mention it being indelibly tied to communism, an ideology considerably more soaked in blood than Nazism will ever be.
Oh yeah, I know. I've always said that Nazism and communism were and still are sister ideologies because they have so many similarities.
The Nazis were the ones best known for trying to erase history by burning books though. Leftists of today are doing very similar stuff to try and make us forget history or even go so far as trying to completely change it.
Originally posted by Scribble
I mean sure, but the communists did (and still do) the same thing. Censorship is just a trademark authoritarian trait, it's not owned by the Nazis.
Reminds me of this video of this guy trying to get people to guess whether a thing is from the communist manifesto or democrats:
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnaeI'd say that comparison is fair, yeah.
Oh yeah, I know. I've always said that Nazism and communism were and still are sister ideologies because they have so many similarities.The Nazis were the ones best known for trying to erase history by burning books though. Leftists of today are doing very similar stuff to try and make us forget history or even go so far as trying to completely change it.
Originally posted by SurturThis guy just straight-up stealing my name. wtf, not cool
Reminds me of this video of this guy trying to get people to guess whether a thing is from the communist manifesto or democrats:
Also I love that blonde guy getting pilled as the video goes on
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VV0BB0CxIFkCheeky nandos wiv mi mandem.
Would love them to do a modern remake of Mary Poppins and have Dick Van Dyke sound like a modern cockney instead of a traditional one.